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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080504063.html
    U.S. Considers Remaking Mortgage Giants

    'Bad Bank' Would Wipe the Slate Clean for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac by Taking Their Toxic Loans






    By Zachary A. Goldfarb and David Cho
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Thursday, August 6, 2009


    The Obama administration is considering an overhaul of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that would strip the mortgage finance giants of hundreds of billions of dollars in troubled loans and create a new structure to support the home-loan market, government officials said.
    The bad debts the firms own would be placed in new government-backed financial institutions -- so-called bad banks -- that would take responsibility for collecting as much of the outstanding balance as possible. What would be left would be two healthy financial companies with a clean slate.
    The moves would represent one of the most dramatic reorderings of the badly shattered housing finance system since District-based Fannie Mae was created by Congress to support mortgage lending during the Great Depression. Both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, based in McLean, have government charters to buy home loans from banks, which they then repackage and sell to investors. The banks can then use the proceeds to offer more loans to home buyers.
    The leviathans became emblematic of the financial crisis when they were effectively nationalized in September amid a market meltdown that revealed much of their holdings to be troubled. The government has since pledged more than $1.5 trillion, including $85 billion in direct aid, to keep the mortgage market working through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
    The proposal, which is preliminary and one of several under discussion, is scheduled to be taken up by the White House's National Economic Council on Thursday.
    "It should come as no surprise that the administration is thinking through" wholesale changes to these companies, said Andrew Williams, a Treasury Department spokesman. "We are in the preliminary stage of the process, the systematic development of options has not taken place, and no decisions have been made."


    Internal discussions over the future of the companies began earlier this year during the regulatory reform planning process and now are entering a more serious phase. National Economic Council Director Lawrence H. Summers has long wanted to overhaul the companies.
    The government's efforts so far "have taken the risk out of those two firms," Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said in a recent interview. "The only question that remains is what form, what structure they ultimately will take."
    In an interview Wednesday announcing that he would step down later this month, James B. Lockhart III, the chief regulator of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said there needs to be a "good bank, bad bank" structure.
    The "bad bank" would be a depository for Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's toxic assets. Then, the government could create new companies, if it chose to do so, that would attract private investment in support of mortgage finance.
    Options for the "good banks" include consolidating the firms into one government agency, leaving mortgage finance to private banks or maintaining a hybrid model.
    The National Economic Council has looked at the "bad bank" option, among many others, in several internal policy papers. Any final decision would come after talks involving the White House, the Treasury, the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Federal Housing Finance Agency.
    A major problem is that the firms own and insure trillions of dollars of existing mortgages. With the economy still in a deep recession, joblessness rising and defaults on home loans expected to continue to go up, there is great uncertainty over the size of future losses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That, in turn, is likely to drive investors from committing money to the companies.
    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac existed for years as odd hybrids, created by government to support housing but owned by private shareholders. (They are now majority-owned by the government.) Over the years, the unusual status has fed concerns that the firms exploited their quasi-governmental role to borrow money at very low rates and therefore grow far larger than was sustainable. At the same time, they had a duty to shareholders to maximize profits, leading them to take on bigger risks.
    Until the future of the firms is worked out, the Obama administration has been using them to carry out its housing recovery program, including restructuring mortgages to avoid foreclosures.
    In addition, the Federal Reserve has bought well over $1 trillion worth of mortgage-related securities and debt from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That further helped to lower interest rates on home loans. The government also has pledged up to $400 billion in direct investments in the firms.
    Summers has long thought that the old structure of the companies posed a danger to the financial system. In 1999, when he was Treasury secretary, he warned lawmakers that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had grown so large that if they stumbled, the damage to the U.S. economy could be staggering.
    Few heeded him. Now, once again a leading voice on economic policy, Summers has the platform to restructure the mortgage giants.


    The revamping of the firms was almost included in the administration's June white paper that proposed an overhaul to the federal regulation of the financial system. But after determining that they had to craft a careful exit of the government's aid for those companies, Summers and Geithner decided to put the issue off.
    More debt and deficit for us, the taxpayers.

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    The only real alternative is a government takeover.
    And then people would really have a reason to scream socialism.



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    What the ? I mean really.

    Here we have all these chances to make things better...

    God Obama really must be in the back pocket of bankers.
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    NO
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    Government sponsorship of favored corporations is not socialism.

    It is mercantilism.
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    Government sponsorship of favored corporations is not socialism.

    It is mercantilism.
    and how did we come to this conclusion?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Yet, Obamaoids will worship their master.
    Last edited by Vulso; August 06, 2009 at 08:46 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulso View Post
    Yet, Obamaoids will worship their master.
    Even democrats part with Obama on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius
    NO
    I got something better.

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    More debt and deficit for us, the taxpayers.
    Umm.. Fannie May and Freddie Mac were nationalized under the Bush Administration. Their debt is taxpayer debt, and has been since September 2008.

    Breaking them up into a "Bad Bank" and "Good Bank" is one way of re-privatizing them so that they can stand on their own two feet again. The same idea was used with Chyrstler and GM. Really it is the "least-bad" alternative from my perspective.

    Just because it doesn't fit well into a sound bite, doesn't mean it isn't the best solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Umm.. Fannie May and Freddie Mac were nationalized under the Bush Administration. Their debt is taxpayer debt, and has been since September 2008.

    Breaking them up into a "Bad Bank" and "Good Bank" is one way of re-privatizing them so that they can stand on their own two feet again. The same idea was used with Chyrstler and GM. Really it is the "least-bad" alternative from my perspective.

    Just because it doesn't fit well into a sound bite, doesn't mean it isn't the best solution.
    Something tells me taxpayers will get to keep the "bad bank."
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    Something tells me taxpayers will get to keep the "bad bank."
    Well obviously, thats the whole point. We can have a whole other discussion on GSE's, and how (or even if) they should be used in the future, but that doesn't get us out of the current situation of the government essentially owning 50% of the mortage market. You've got to get that back out into the market somehow, the treasury can't hold onto fanny and freddie indefinitely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    that doesn't get us out of the current situation of the government essentially owning 50% of the mortage market. You've got to get that back out into the market somehow, the treasury can't hold onto fanny and freddie indefinitely.
    Why wouldn't they hold on to the profitable mortgages?
    They have every right to do so, after bailing them out, and the taxpayers deserve to get at least some of their money back.

    I don't think they should be taking in new customers, though.
    Just hold on to the good loans until they are all payed back (30 years or so), and then they can just abolish both companies.

    But...oh, wait: that's socialism and socialism is eeeeeeevil. - yeah, better give the good loans to the people who screwed up so they can make billions again.



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    Fannie & Freddie were never private enterprises, they were government sponsored enterprises (GSE's). It was always expected that they would have the full backing of the US government if they failed. In return they were used a vehicals to enact certain economic policies. Much of their current troubles are related to policies created by elected officials (though there's plenty of other blame to go around).

    So the whole tax-payer-bailing-out-fat-cat-bankers thing isn't that applicable. We can argue the merit of GSE's (which I don't like at all to be honest), but everyone has know since F&F were privitized the the government would be on the hook when things went sour. People should have been up in arms 30-40 years ago when this arragement was set up.


    (As a side note, the government got a fat $1.5 Billion dividend check from AIG today, so I feel my support of the TARP program as far back as the Bush Administration is somewhat vindicated )
    Last edited by Sphere; August 07, 2009 at 05:30 PM.

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