Origins of the Caucasian Race.

[EireEmerald]

Where did the caucasian come from? How did we go from being Negroid in Africa to suddently changing physically in appearance and changing in the colour of our eyes and hair. And why? why did our hair change colour? If our skin changed colour for a reason why did other parts of us change colour as well?
We all came from the caucussus mountains and then went west and east. India - Europe.

[shadyrome]

I always thought they came from Centre asia.

[Azog 150]

Where did the caucasian come from? How did we go from being Negroid in Africa to suddently changing physically in appearance and changing in the colour of our eyes and hair. And why? why did our hair change colour? If our skin changed colour for a reason why did other parts of us change colour as well?
We all came from the caucussus mountains and then went west and east. India - Europe.

It wasn't really a sudden thing, it was gradual change over thousands of years to adapt to the new environments.

The theory goes we originated in Africa, before people crossed the Red Sea into the Middle East, from their people supposedly traveled through into Europe (where their skin pigmentation gradually changed)



BTW, does anyone know if there were Black Neanderthals? In fact, I just don't understand why Neanderthals died out at all. They seemed to be the dominant species in terms of physical strength, and they were probably just as clever as humans.

[Phier]

BTW, does anyone know if there were Black Neanderthals? In fact, I just don't understand why Neanderthals died out at all. They seemed to be the dominant species in terms of physical strength, and they were probably just as clever as humans.

We have no real clue what color the Neanderthals were. I think white is just picked because of their association with Europe, even though they have been found in warmer climates as well. Still I think its the best guess based on how long they lived in Europe, but they also could have had a more Asian olive skin tone, and possibly darker though I personally think thats unlikely. They may have even had local differences being how long and isolated they lived in some areas.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

We have no real clue what color the Neanderthals were. I think white is just picked because of their association with Europe, even though they have been found in warmer climates as well. Still I think its the best guess based on how long they lived in Europe, but they also could have had a more Asian olive skin tone, and possibly darker though I personally think thats unlikely. They may have even had local differences being how long and isolated they lived in some areas.

Actually it is because the Neanderthal genome had many genes for decreased melanin production. Neanderthals have shown to be as intelligent as humans and possibly more spiritually in touch than humans as they were said to have rudimentary religion prior to humans (based on archeological evidence) and actually seem to have created art of many kinds. And one of the main theories on the demise of the Neanderthals is that they were actually bred out (and homo sapiens may share some Neanderthal DNA)

[nopasties]

The vocal cords of neanderthals was not developed like humans. Humans were able to develop more advanced communication due to ther vocal cords. Neanderthals could do little more than grunt whereas humans could talk in full sentences. This would have a huge impact on many aspects of socialization and hunting in groups.

MaximiIian answered the question of where caucasians came from.

Negroid people originated from West Africa--forget how many thousands of years ago but it is relatively recent. Less than 10,000 years.

[Machiavelli25]

Oh dear. A LOT of horrible pseudo-science in this thread.

Firstly, we have no idea how Neatherthals truly became extinct, though we can make an accurate guess that it involved a variety of factors. These include possible climate change, violent conflict with our own human ancestors, and a greater susceptability to certain ailments and degenerative afflictions.

They probably had about the same level of intelligence as us, but their bodies let them down. For example, due to the structure of the shoulder, they were unable to 'throw' a spear, among other things, and had several disadvantages in this manner. Their hunting techniques were more primal than homo-sapiens, more 'basic' if you like. However in terms of intelligence we were pretty well-matched.

As for Cauasians, that's the environmental results of living in a certain climate for a large period of time, nothing else. The original European Caucasians are all IBERIAN, just out of interest.

Oh, and nopasties, that is RUBBISH. The Neanderthals were certainly capable of speech, and language just like us. It would've sounded different, but it was still language.

[nopasties]

Oh, and nopasties, that is RUBBISH. The Neanderthals were certainly capable of speech, and language just like us. It would've sounded different, but it was still language.

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2008...4461208875413/

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Neanderthals' voice simulated


COLUMBUS, Ohio, April 22 (UPI) -- A U.S. [COLOR=#0072bc! important][COLOR=#0072bc! important]anthropologist[/COLOR][/COLOR] has used a reconstruction of Neanderthal vocal cords to computerize a simulation of the Neanderthal voice.
Robert McCarthy of Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, Fla., says the ancient human's speech lacked the "quantal vowel" sounds that underlie modern speech.
McCarthy said quantal vowels provide cues that help speakers with different size vocal tracts understand one another.
"They would have spoken a bit differently," he said. "They wouldn't have been able to produce these quantal vowels that form the basis of spoken language."
In the 1970s, linguist Phil Lieberman of Brown University in [COLOR=#0072bc! important][COLOR=#0072bc! important]Providence[/COLOR][/COLOR], R.I., inferred the dimensions of the larynx of a Neanderthal based on its skull. His team concluded Neanderthal speech didn't have the subtlety of modern human speech. Lieberman teamed with McCarthy to simulate Neanderthal speech based on new reconstructions of three Neanderthal vocal tracts.
By modeling the sounds Neanderthals would have made, McCarthy's team engineered the sound of a Neanderthal saying "E." He plans to eventually simulate an entire Neanderthal sentence.
McCarthy presented the research last week in Columbus, Ohio, during the annual meeting of the American Association of Physical Anthropologists.
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The neanderthal could communicate but not in the same complexity as humans can. This work may not be advanced enough to be accepted theory by the larger community of anthropologists but it is still a viable theory.

[Bwaho]

It has been proven that Neanderthals were in fact more intelligent than humans

ummm... what?

[EireEmerald]

ummm... what?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/sc...ed-662312.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Neand...ve-15264.shtml

[Del Valle]

It wasn't really a sudden thing, it was gradual change over thousands of years to adapt to the new environments.

The theory goes we originated in Africa, before people crossed the Red Sea into the Middle East, from their people supposedly traveled through into Europe (where their skin pigmentation gradually changed)



BTW, does anyone know if there were Black Neanderthals? In fact, I just don't understand why Neanderthals died out at all. They seemed to be the dominant species in terms of physical strength, and they were probably just as clever as humans.

They had more physical strength, but all that strength needed food. I've read that the average Neanderthal needed the same amount of calories that a Tour de France cyclist uses just to get through the day. Once modern humans arrived, their primitive Ice Age, hunter-gatherer society simply could not gather enough food to sustain itself. Modern humans were also more resourceful, with archaeological finds showing they wore warmer clothes and learned how to fish. Essentially, Neanderthals starved while humans used their resourcefulness, and therefore superior numbers, to gradually move into Neanderthal areas and push them into less hospitable areas, doing this again and again until the Neanderthals went extinct, though probably many simply were assimilated into human society, leaving a small genetic footprint in the human race.

[IndianPrince]

though probably many simply were assimilated into human society, leaving a small genetic footprint in the human race.

It has been proved that there are no remnants of neanderthal genes embeded within the Homo sapiens genome

Prince

[Kagemusha]

What is this "Caucasian" race, you people are talking about?If you think that people considered as "white" have very similar genetic heritage. I am afraid you are stuck on 40´s thinking.

[MaximiIian]

What is this "Caucasian" race, you people are talking about?If you think that people considered as "white" have very similar genetic heritage. I am afraid you are stuck on 40´s thinking.

Well, yes and no. It's more of that classing ethnic groups based on skin tone is a crap idea. However, the European ethnic groups (except for the Finns, Basques, and Magyars) are all tied to the Proto-Indo-Europeans; as are the Persians, Kurds, and most ethnic groups of the Indian Subcontinent. The PIE culture split off and settled in different areas in Europe and West Asia, as this map shows:

[EireEmerald]

It wasn't really a sudden thing, it was gradual change over thousands of years to adapt to the new environments.

The theory goes we originated in Africa, before people crossed the Red Sea into the Middle East, from their people supposedly traveled through into Europe (where their skin pigmentation gradually changed)



BTW, does anyone know if there were Black Neanderthals? In fact, I just don't understand why Neanderthals died out at all. They seemed to be the dominant species in terms of physical strength, and they were probably just as clever as humans.

It has been proven that Neanderthals were in fact more intelligent than humans. It is natural for us to just assume we beat them simply because we were more intelligent but that does not seem to be the case.

[Del Valle]

It has been proven that Neanderthals were actually more intelligent than humans.

Are you sure about that. I've read in numerous places that humanity was more resourceful and intelligent, which was one of the elements in our victory over them.

[konny]

It has been proven that Neanderthals were in fact more intelligent than humans.

How can the intelligence of a race be measured by bones? And second question, how can a lesser intelligent being (us) measure the ammount of intelligence of a superior being (them)?

[Del Valle]

How can the intelligence of a race be measured by bones? And second question, how can a lesser intelligent being (us) measure the ammount of intelligence of a superior being (them)?

It can be measured by how advanced their tools were.

[EireEmerald]

It can be measured by how advanced their tools were.

The neaderthals had better tools, more efficient ways of doing things, I saw it on some recent study of how they dissapeared.

Thanks for the answers.

I remember hearing somewhere that Humans playing music was also another reason for our dominance over Neanderthals as its formed closer bonds and helped strengthen human society or something along those lines...

Exactly. Another thing they noticed was that humans kept cultural links with each other, they shared the same designs and music across great distances.

[konny]

It can be measured by how advanced their tools were.

No, it cannot, unless it would be profen that both races started making tools at the same time, for the same needs and with the same materials. Or did the Neanderthalers possessed any tools that were better than what we use today?

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The neaderthals had better tools, more efficient ways of doing things, I saw it on some recent study of how they dissapeared.

And there is nothing with the result of this study that sounds strange to you?