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    Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire -- With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    LANCASTER, N.H. - There's no escaping the long arm of big government - even here at the far edge of a state whose license plate decrees that without freedom from oppressive authority you might as well choose death.
    But for a group of about 500 in a tent colony here, the Porcupine Freedom Festival is about as close to Libertarian Nirvana as they're likely to get.
    Held in June, the four days are about beer, burgers and bonfires. But more importantly, participants aim to carve out an enclave of less government and more liberty to do as they wish.
    They aim to show a lost nation the way back to its political roots.
    It hasn't been an easy message to sell these past few years. Their group, the Free State Project, has struggled to attract followers. But now, with Americans thinking anew about the reach and role of government, Free Staters see at least the hint of an opening.
    So on festival weekend, they drink to the future. Between swigs of a custom brew called Overregulated Ale, they ridicule the Federal Reserve, applaud the defeat of a bill that would have required the wearing of seat belts, bemoan higher taxes and restrictions on gun rights.

    "We said bad things are going to happen and they happen," Jason Sorens, a political science professor, preaching to the crowd clustered around picnic tables. "We say, we told you so."
    Flapping overhead, on lines between spruce trees where others might dry bathing suits, Free Staters fly the Gadsden flag, with its serpent and warning to government: "Don't Tread on Me."
    They circle around one activist's PT Cruiser to test tactics for dealing with government's front-line troops. "How will you perform when confronted by the police?" the schedule of events for the session asks. "You'll know once you practice."
    Dozens walk through Porc Fest with handguns hanging from their waists, an unexpected sight on the way to mini-golf.
    The threat of overreaching government is not new, Free Staters say, but it is rising. They wonder if more Americans aren't starting to realize that, too - before it's too late.
    Last fall's protests against the economic bailout has been followed by public disapproval of the Obama's administration takeover of General Motors. In 36 states, legislators have introduced resolutions declaring their sovereignty over matters including the right to bear arms, citing the Constitution's 10th Amendment, which delineates the federal government's powers. Free Staters approve - though they are distrustful of most politicians.
    Still, they are convinced the country will eventually recognize the truth. Just have a look, says Free Stater William Domenico, pointing to 18 fresh recruits from Florida, North Carolina and beyond, piling off a bus after a day's tour.
    "Why?" asks Domenico, himself a refugee from an over-licensed life in Colorado. "Because they want government off their backs."
    Americans' faith in government ebbs and flows, with voters giving Washington more rope during times of crisis. Even then, though, uncertainty lingers.
    "Underneath it all, there is a suspicion of government doing too much," says Frank Newport, editor-in-chief of the Gallup Poll, which has long tracked public opinion on the matter. "That's a general strain of American culture."
    Dislike of big government goes all the way back to colonists fed up with an English king, and a Constitution written to keep power in check.

    The Civil War and the Great Depression shifted the balance, asserting the expanded power of federal government.
    "None of these powers were ever formally given to these people (government officials) and so occasionally, whenever people notice that the federal government is behaving this way, they get really outraged by it," said Kevin R.C. Gutzman, a constitutional scholar at Western Connecticut State University.
    After World War II, broad political consensus saw most Americans willing to follow Washington's lead, says Marc Hetherington, a Vanderbilt University professor and expert on public trust in government. But wariness soon returned, though not nearly to the extent hoped for by some advocates of less government.
    "If we do not carve out a sphere of freedom now, freedom will be lost for a long time to come," Sorens, then a Yale University doctoral student, wrote in July of 2001.
    He and a few like-minded thinkers met over bagels in Asheville, N.C., and devised a plan. They called upon hardcore activists to move to a small state and do everything possible to take over and scale back government.
    The timing of their pitch couldn't have been much worse.
    Weeks after the Free State Project started, Al Qaeda terrorists flew jets into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The attacks, two wars and two recessions over the past eight years unsettled U.S. voters' attitudes toward government.
    In the fall of 2001, for the first and only time since Gallup began asking the question, the number of Americans who said they wanted government to do more reached 50 percent.
    "After 9/11 we had a hard time," says Sorens, now a professor at the State University of New York at Buffalo. "We had some people quit because they said they didn't want to become part of a secession movement, even though we weren't."
    Free Staters pushed ahead, choosing as their destination New Hampshire, whose voters have a hard-earned reputation for political independence. They set out to recruit 20,000 activists by 2006 to sign a pledge to move within five years.
    Some of the most spirited moved immediately, but recruitment lagged. The group now has 9,400 participants. About 450 have moved to New Hampshire, joining 250 already there.

    The small band of Free Staters in New Hampshire has been trying both conventional and more novel strategies to curtail it government's role.
    A number have run for office. Four have won seats in the 400-member state House of Representatives, the largest in the country. Free State activists have campaigned furiously against measures perceived as emblematic of excessive government, like a mandatory seatbelt bill and budget hikes.
    Meanwhile, a group of mostly younger Free Staters have decided the best way to keep government in its place is to needle it, through small acts of civil disobedience.
    Then, at June's end, they pack Roger's Campground to breathe deeply of mountain air, camaraderie and a life away from government.
    The weekend is a big party. But it is also a statement, based on sober thinking and often rooted in personal experience.
    Pamela Ean's misgivings about government were confirmed at work. A high school teacher, Ean was frustrated trying to meet the testing standards set by the federal No Child Left Behind law. She calls it an illegal power grab by the federal government, and doesn't see it ending there.
    "When you think about it, the federal government is taking over the banking institutions. They're taking over industry. It's scary. I mean, what's next?" asks Ean, who last year ran together with her 19-year-old son for a state legislative seat. They both lost in the primary, but helped unseat the 13-term Republican incumbent.
    People have arrived at this ideological destination by different routes. There's the substantial right-to-bear-arms crowd. Some want drug laws loosened. Others are focused on the economy and see government's hand as the source of the problems.
    Still others get their hackles up over high taxes.

    While more Free Staters lean Republican, there's little enthusiasm here for George W. Bush, whose administration is viewed as having broken promises to make government smaller. His Democratic replacement, meanwhile, draws backhanded applause - for waking people up with the pace of "centralizing everything."
    With the early morning sun climbing fast, a handful of Free Staters crouch low in a gravel lot to test their resolve on distant targets. Shoulders tense, eyes focused down the length of .22-caliber rifles, they're trying to take out the "redcoats" with 13 bullets - one for each of the original colonies.
    "This is what America is all about - individual freedom, less intrusive government, self-reliance," says gunsmith Tony Stelik, a political refugee from 1980s' Communist Poland. "Now it's rulers are trying to change it."
    Down to her last target, shooter Alicia Lekas nails it, although she seems an unlikely citizen soldier. Lekas makes a living teaching Scottish folk dancing. Her America is embodied in a story of the time a tree fell on a friend's house near Concord and, instead of waiting for government, neighbors responded with their own chain saws.
    She says she can't imagine shooting a living creature, but she'll do it if the need arises.
    "A bad guy might be the individual crook," the new rifleman says, "Or it might be somebody who's taken over government."
    Either way, she's ready.

    Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534841,00.html


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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    They're against seat belts? Geniuses...
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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    They're against seat belts? Geniuses...
    they're crazy for Liberty

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by tkubic46 View Post
    they're crazy for Liberty
    well they sure are crazy...
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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Dude what are you, some sort of neo-revolutionary? You seem to be, always talking about "Liberty" and "Revolution", and such.

    Oh by the way, where did you get the pic for your avatar

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    My beliefs are revolutionary b/c of the sad state of mainstream american politics and beliefs.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Those are my kind of peeps.
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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by tkubic46 View Post
    Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance
    And more than their fair share of stupidity.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    IIRC, Ron Paul only got 6% in the NH republican primary. They need to change their motto from "Live free or die." to "Die.".

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Against seatbelts...?
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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    I vote for them to lead the way in that regard and hence help remove some idiots from the gene pool.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Man, I live in that State, but those guys seem scary! Maybe they've been watching Fox news too much.
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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Libertarianism is all fine & dandy with me, in fact I think the US could use a healthy dose of social libertarianism at least, however taking a stand against a basic safety measure like seatbelts is just plain moronic.

    And another thing...what is the point of this thread?

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Borat View Post
    And another thing...what is the point of this thread?
    Let people point fingers and laugh at silly, pretentious fringe Libertarians who think they're SRS BUSINESS and that somebody actually cares much ?

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Borat View Post
    however taking a stand against a basic safety measure like seatbelts is just plain moronic.
    I think its kinda retarded to make it a law to wear seatbelts, if I don't want to wear one in my own car I shouldn't.
    *I wear a seatbelt every time I get in a car.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Good for these guys, I always support these groups just to keep the Government on its toes. After all, if IDF members are allowed to come to New York and train native Jews there self-defense tactics, why not these?

    Although admittedly, why they would be against seat belts is beyond me.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Did any of you read the article? It says they are against a law requiring people to wear seatbelts. Not that they are against putting seatbelts in cars.

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    They're against seat belts? Geniuses...
    They're against forcing people to wear seat belts. The purpose of the government is not to protect us from ourselves. It shouldn't be at least. It's simply immoral.

    But these people will fail. The only way is to start a new society from scatch at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    They're against forcing people to wear seat belts. The purpose of the government is not to protect us from ourselves. It shouldn't be at least. It's simply immoral.
    Which would be fine if it stopped at stupid people needlessly killing themselves. But it doesn't, because people who don't wear seatbelts make my insurance premiums higher.

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    Default Re: Free Staters Go Camping in New Hampshire--With Rifles, Swords and Defiance

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    They're against forcing people to wear seat belts. The purpose of the government is not to protect us from ourselves. It shouldn't be at least. It's simply immoral.
    How is it immoral?
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