Family Issues

[Nakharar]

11:34:10.484 [script.err] [error] Script Error in eor/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat.txt, at line 165, column 45
trying to make lesser character named character the faction leader. Only named characters please.
11:34:10.484 [script.err] [error] Script Error in eor/data/world/maps/campaign/imperial_campaign/descr_strat.txt, at line 165, column 74
Unable to create the character named character. (Is the gender correct?)

Error in Log

The code i inserted

character    Utigur, named character, male, leader, age 67, x 50, y 129 
traits Intelligent 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , GoodCommander 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , Factionleader 1 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Kutrigur, named character, male, age 66, x 51, y 129 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Grod, named character, male, heir, age 35, x 52, y 129 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Mugel, named character, male, age 34, x 53, y 129 
army
unit        NE Bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

; Ernach's family
character_record        Ernach,    male, age 96, dead 11, never_a_leader
character_record        Agafia,    female, age 85, alive, never_a_leader

; Utigur's wife
character_record        Botokhui,    female, age 64, alive, never_a_leader

; Kutrigur's wife
character_record        Orbei,     female, age 60, alive, never_a_leader

; Grod's wife & child
character_record        Mandughai,    female, age 31, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Bulger,    male, age 14, alive, never_a_leader

; Mugel's wife & child
character_record        Ibakha,    female, age 36, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Drong,    male, age 13, alive, never_a_leader

relative    Mugel,    Ibakha,    Drong,    end
relative    Grod,    Mandughai,    Bulger,    end
relative    Kutrigur,    Orbei,    Mugel,    end
relative    Utigur,    Botokhui,    Grod,    end
relative     Ernach,    Agafia,    Utigur,    Kutrigur,    end

[konny]

From a first glance the code looks ok. Is Utigur a valid male name for this faction?

[Nakharar]

I think so I will check

[raziel_eire]

... strange that you get that error

It worked/tested fine in game when I built the tree - does the game not load at all for you?

[Nakharar]

no at campaign it turns back

[Nakharar]

any ideas?

[Augustus Lucifer]

If it's working for other people in the mod team, I'd suggest WinMerge comparing the relevant files.

[Gigantus]

WinMerge? Any advantage over Notepad++?

[Augustus Lucifer]

WinMerge? Any advantage over Notepad++?

The former is file comparison software whilst the latter is text editing software. WinMerge is useful for merging and comparing files if you work on a team, especially a team with a build manager that doesn't have the money to host a dedicated SVN server for file commits(which I'd venture most don't). You can also compare folders and filter the results to see which files are present or missing from either side, and which files have different binary values. There's also ways to generate a 'patch file' which someone who knows how to use it could apply to their files, which seems to work like binary logging in that it appends the changes rather than replacing the files, but I've never actually tried that function myself.

I'd suggest that the problem be resolved by going to a stable backup and re-typing it if possible. I once had an issue in my campaign script that confounded the imagination, spent 4 days debugging 5 lines of code which many attested were perfectly sound(and ironically, when unsound code was replaced it worked). I deleted it, went to backup, and started scripting something else instead and haven't had any issues since.

[Nakharar]

well the raziel_eire had the EXACT same with a age difference which shouldnt make a difference at all. Would incorrect co ordinates cause a problem?(It shouldnt ive had armies on land before)

[konny]

Which exactly is line 165?

[raziel_eire]

the error message doesn't indicate a co-ord issue, but I'd check them anyways - did you get them from show_cursorstat?

the age difference may play a part in it depending on what the max/min values are stored in xml file I talked about in the PM, if you could source it, we could at least rule that out too

[Nakharar]

ok will check out the file tommorow, i didnt do by show_cursorsat, i got some random point of land and just plotted them right of that(in a line)

[IVIarkI2I]

I got same error once I just use old file and code it again and error never appeard

[Gigantus]

Thanks for the info. I was using notepad++ with the compare add on for individual files. That gives me the exact differences between files.. Will keep winmerge in mind when it comes to bulk comparison.

[Augustus Lucifer]

Nakharar this is likely your problem:

relative    Mugel,    Ibakha,    Drong,    end
relative    Grod,    Mandughai,    Bulger,    end
relative    Kutrigur,    Orbei,    Mugel,    end
relative    Utigur,    Botokhui,    Grod,    end
relative     Ernach,    Agafia,    Utigur,    Kutrigur,    end

I'm fairly certain the game reads the very first name on the first relative line as the faction leader. So it thinks Mugel is trying to be the faction leader. Try re-arranging it so that Utigur's relative line is at the top.

[raziel_eire]

Nakharar this is likely your problem:

relative    Mugel,    Ibakha,    Drong,    end
relative    Grod,    Mandughai,    Bulger,    end
relative    Kutrigur,    Orbei,    Mugel,    end
relative    Utigur,    Botokhui,    Grod,    end
relative     Ernach,    Agafia,    Utigur,    Kutrigur,    end

I'm fairly certain the game reads the very first name on the first relative line as the faction leader. So it thinks Mugel is trying to be the faction leader. Try re-arranging it so that Utigur's relative line is at the top.

I wasn't aware of this Augustus - if this is the case, should the same error not occur for all instances of the family tree? (I originally built this tree and it continues to work in-game for me)

I know for each family tree that I've built in my own mod work, that I structure the relative code as per the above, with the oldest family relationship always at the bottom... why? I found it was the only way to overcome a problem with one of my first family tree builds.

@Nak... I built this tree using a modified descr_campaign_db.xml file (its stored in the data folder if you have this unpacked). As I'm sure you're suing a different version then me with different age parameters then it would be beneficial if you could show us what is contained in your version of the file (the <family_tree> section specifically)

[konny]

I'm fairly certain the game reads the very first name on the first relative line as the faction leader. So it thinks Mugel is trying to be the faction leader. Try re-arranging it so that Utigur's relative line is at the top.

I am pretty certain that the relative line doesn't make a difference. I have set up many family trees where the FL is not the first named living character in this list and they all work fine.

@ Nakharar

Try giving Utigur a second name. May be there is another character with that name in descr_start whom the engine is confusing with this Utigur.

[Nakharar]

ah thanks will try

[Nakharar]

yea AUs suggestion didnt work i try give him a surname

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<root>
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</root>

my descr_campaign_DB from vanilla(unmodified)