Log into Cars.gov and the US Government owns your computer?

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

Is this info reliable? (I understand it is Beck and thus is 10000% likely to be false) And if so what do you think of it? I would think this would be a violation of privacy laws.
http://www.infowars.com/cars-gov-log...your-computer/

[bigfootedfred]

you kidding?

ok, even though maybe sometimes they bring up something worthwhile that should be looked, it still has their own mega super duper "your all going to die" spin on it.

But primarily what you have to understand about that Website and its duplicates is that its designed around profit creation, why do you think you are bombarded with survivalist advertisements on the main page? if you ever do listen to the show, be prepared for 'everything bad is going down right now, martial law in 5 minutes, get ready to be taken to camps ect' (and a year later, its still saying the same thing) - then it goes to the ads which are from 'survivalist seeds.com' and other 'survivalist' type groups looking to sell their stuff.

Hell its not even a scam, just business, catering to a certain type who spend allot of time quite literally buying into it all.
That is not to say the people, things, places and groups they talk about don't exist...they just exaggerate, to put it mildly, in order to cater to their main customer base.

So no, the source isn't reliable, don't rule it out completely if you don't want to, i wouldn't tell you what to do, just try and keep in mind the agenda of the producers of the content, generally good practice for any medium. Im not agaisnt it, im all for free speech, they can give their veiwpoint all they like and i support them doing so.

[danzig]

Anything on infowars is by default bs anything started on Beck show's is by default mostly bs. http://trueslant.com/christopherthom...your-computer/ bottom line it is for dealer side of things not consumers, because they would have access to some personal info while processing the rebate stuff hence one assumes some lawyer though it covers goverments ass by such a disclaimer. The disclaimer of course is now gone thanks to the paranoid nonsense of infowar clowns and Beck.

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Anything on infowars is by default bs anything started on Beck show's is by default mostly bs. http://trueslant.com/christopherthom...your-computer/ bottom line it is for dealer side of things not consumers, because they would have access to some personal info while processing the rebate stuff hence one assumes some lawyer though it covers goverments ass by such a disclaimer. The disclaimer of course is now gone thanks to the paranoid nonsense of infowar clowns and Beck.

* You trust the government too much, the fact that they would never really do it is irrelevant to the fact that they could legally do it. Even if the disclaimer was only intented for car dealers, car dealers have a right to privacy to, even if they are despicable people. Without Beck they could have gotten away with it and before you know it similar disclaimers would appear in all sort of government websites. You should be greatful to Beck and Infowars nor riducule them.

[Cougar109]

You trust the government too much, the fact that they would never really do it is irrelevant to the fact that they could legally do it. Even if the disclaimer was only intented for car dealers, car dealers have a right to privacy to, even if they are despicable people. Without Beck they could have gotten away with it and before you know it similar disclaimers would appear in all sort of government websites. You should be greatful to Beck and Infowars nor riducule them.

And you put WAY to much trust in Beck and Jones, who in all honesty are far more likely to lie and spin something then the government, as disturbing as that is to believe. Businesses have to be treated differently then a regular consumer, they always have been held to higher standards and always will. This is a safety net for the consumer, it allows the government to monitor the companies and make sure they are not abusing the information you gave them and if something does get abused allows them to quickly rectify the problem. The government CAN NOT legally seize an individuals your computer nor the files on your computer through a general disclaimer, it must be done on an individual basis through the court systems. Tomorrow that can change if Congress decided to pass a law, but at the moment the government can not seize nor control any of your property through a disclaimer.

[danzig]

* You trust the government too much, the fact that they would never really do it is irrelevant to the fact that they could legally do it. Even if the disclaimer was only intented for car dealers, car dealers have a right to privacy to, even if they are despicable people. Without Beck they could have gotten away with it and before you know it similar disclaimers would appear in all sort of government websites. You should be greatful to Beck and Infowars nor riducule them.

Uh no Im generally wary of goverment motives/actions but its based more in reality not conspiracy fantasies such as this. As Erik pointed out and as the link I posted pointed out it is about files on the GOVERMENT side, its website not YOUR files. And please if this was goverments actual intention Beck would "accidently" end up with a bullet in his head like in Russia or run over by a car in a "tragic accident" or hell maybe poisoned by some radioactive crap. Do you really think goverment went
"ah our plans for siezing control of the nations computer systems are in full swing!"
"sir Beck is reporting our actions"
"damnit, abort! damn if it wasnt for that meddling Beck we would have ruled the world!"

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Uh no Im generally wary of goverment motives/actions but its based more in reality not conspiracy fantasies such as this. As Erik pointed out and as the link I posted pointed out it is about files on the GOVERMENT side, its website not YOUR files. And please if this was goverments actual intention Beck would "accidently" end up with a bullet in his head like in Russia or run over by a car in a "tragic accident" or hell maybe poisoned by some radioactive crap. Do you really think goverment went
"ah our plans for siezing control of the nations computer systems are in full swing!"
"sir Beck is reporting our actions"
"damnit, abort! damn if it wasnt for that meddling Beck we would have ruled the world!"

* The wording doesn't even make sense when the files refer to files on the server side, how can you intercept what you already have? The system in the 2nd paragraph seems exclicitly refer to your computer in the first paragraph.

**
This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.


Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.

[Pickle_mole]

Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.

This one needs to be highlighted too.

[Erik]

* The wording doesn't even make sense when the files refer to files on the server side, how can you intercept what you already have? The system in the 2nd paragraph seems exclicitly refer to your computer in the first paragraph.

**
This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.


Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.

The point I'm trying to make is: what they said is probably not what they meant.

The people who wrote the warning probably know little or nothing about computers and those "series of tubes" they call "the internets".
So they make mistakes and say stupid things.

They are talking about a web application.
Most modern web applications consist of both server and client side software working together and exchanging information between them.
When they say "your computer" they almost certainly meant "the client side part of our web application running on your computer" or something like that. - not your actual physical computer.
I write web application for a living, and trust me: clients are usually clueless about how they work.

[Gaidin]

This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.


Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.

I guess you better not idle your system and stay logged on huh?

[danzig]

* The wording doesn't even make sense when the files refer to files on the server side, how can you intercept what you already have? The system in the 2nd paragraph seems exclicitly refer to your computer in the first paragraph.

**
This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the United States Government. It is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation of privacy.


Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign. By using this system, the user consents to such interception, monitoring, recording, copying, auditing, inspection, and disclosure at the discretion CARS or the DoT personnel.

So a poor worded disclaimer, one that Ill say again is now gone is an indication of something sinister? Also the disclaimer was only on the DEALER's side, not the average user but for dealerships. We too often jump the gun on these things and assume the worse because its fun to believe these types of things. You REALLY think if US government was seeking to infiltrate people's computers, something even the anal Chinese government doesn't attempt that it would do so thru this in such an obvious way? Not to mention the fact that technically it is a no go since is websites could so easily do such a thing none of us would be on the internet for mortal fear

That said, if you have read this message you have acknowledged your computer is the personal property of me, all your files, information are hereby agreed upon to belong to me.

I know governments are generally completely incompetent at running anything but the legal department of the US government making such a big mistake, I find it hard to believe but luckily there are people like Beck who are alert because even it was a mistake and no one would have complained then one day it wouldn't be a mistake anymore but intentional and by that time everyone was already so used to the disclaimer that no one really worried about it anymore...

dude our legal department is full of incidents where it has made blunder after blunder, this wouldnt even break a top 10 list.

[Gaidin]

Right umm...people who use their personal computers for something like this are pretty dumb anyway. This is something you stick with business computers for.

[justicar5]

Right umm...people who use their personal computers for something like this are pretty dumb anyway. This is something you stick with business computers for.

the ones at the libary work as well.

[Erik]

They obviously meant that the data and files send to cars.gov will become property of the US government, not every file on your computer.

For starters they can't even access your files just because you visit a website.
If that were possible, you'd have a much bigger problem with hackers stealing everything on your computer.

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

I know governments are generally completely incompetent at running anything but the legal department of the US government making such a big mistake, I find it hard to believe but luckily there are people like Beck who are alert because even it was a mistake and no one would have complained then one day it wouldn't be a mistake anymore but intentional and by that time everyone was already so used to the disclaimer that no one really worried about it anymore...

[MathiasOfAthens]

Did Beck just tell everyone not to do this at home but then grab some interns laptop and use his personal computer to do what he would never do himself?

[Cougar109]

Did Beck just tell everyone not to do this at home but then grab some interns laptop and use his personal computer to do what he would never do himself?

Nothing was going to actually happen and Beck knew it, just something he put up out there to stir up some more fear and hate for the Democrats and their plans.

[danzig]

Nothing was going to actually happen and Beck knew it, just something he put up out there to stir up some more fear and hate for the Democrats and their plans.

To be fair it has little to do with Democrats and has to do with the general nature of conspiracy minded people. Look what we endured for 8 years of Bush where anyday US troops would be in cities declaring martial law and of course 9/11 stuff. It goes back and forth, whoever is in power is going to get some conspiracy nonsense aimed at them.

[Cougar109]

To be fair it has little to do with Democrats and has to do with the general nature of conspiracy minded people. Look what we endured for 8 years of Bush where anyday US troops would be in cities declaring martial law and of course 9/11 stuff. It goes back and forth, whoever is in power is going to get some conspiracy nonsense aimed at them.

Oh I agree completely. There is no shortage of nut jobs and conspiracy theorist on either side of the political spectrum and personally I can't stand them. I hated the liberals who did it for 8 years and now I'm going to hate the conservatives who do it for the next 4 or 8 years or whatever.