Why do most jobs stink?

[hellas1]

Hi all,

I've come to a conclusion: Most jobs that exist now in the U.S. suck.

I mean consider the work an individual does and consider the recompense, i.e. Money & benefits given.

I found out about Jobvent.com and it's scary to read what people write about these companies & corps.!

Yikes!

What do you think about the present U.S. employment crisis?

hellas1
Please respond thoroughly.

[Banana Jelly]

They suck becuase life is not easy. Simple answer

Wrong forum i think

[The Count(er)]

Yeah, this might go in the Political Mudpit or Academy, not sure I can shed too much light on your question, I haven't had a whole list of jobs and working conditions here in Canada are generally better than in the US, you know, higher minimum wage more worker benefits, all that good stuff so I don't have too many problems with work.

[.K.]

They suck becuase life is not easy. Simple answer

Wrong forum i think

Maybe life isn't "easy", but it can be "good" if you strive to make it that way. If you're in a job you really really really can't stand to be in, I say "just get the hell out". As Perry says: "You don't have to live like a refugee", and you don't have to live like a slave either. You have a choice as to whether or not you want to get out of bed in the morning, believe it or not...though Rousseau may disagree: "everywhere man goes he is in chains [by society]". It's possible to find livable jobs, even though they can be tedious. Sometimes it's just the work environment that needs to be changed, or even just a bad boss. Surrounding yourself with good people, a good environment, and things you don't mind doing is the key to getting though a tedious 9-5 schedule.

[hellas1]

@.K.,

It's easy to say "Surround yourself."

Have you factored in the unspoken age rule of America?
"Don't hire if over 45/50 years old?"

Or How about the other overqualified quasi-unspoken rule of America?
"This guy/gal has WAY more job experience then Junior here out of college, Let's hire young & ignorant Junior!"

Companies/Corporations WILL NOT hire an older person, or who they perceive to be "Older" over a young person.

To summarize:
Saying to "Surround oneself" is one thing, sir/ma'am, but seeing it actually manifested is quite another, given the 2 forementioned rules.

hellas1

[Habelo]

No this is about bussiness morale and ethics. And how they all have changed since america was great, since ford.

Well just like most poor countries the rich want to be richer at the expanse of the non-rich people. That and really poor education is why america is climbing downwards not upwards.

Ford said: pay your employees to the fullest. - He knew that it will all come back at him in a big circle, and make him and his country more richer.
Modern bussiness man: i need to cut the wages so i can afford more stuff. - Poor education, poor dicipline, an egoist.

[.K.]

Hi all,

I've come to a conclusion: Most jobs that exist now in the U.S. suck.

I mean consider the work an individual does and consider the recompense, i.e. Money & benefits given.

I found out about Jobvent.com and it's scary to read what people write about these companies & corps.! .

I'm working a job now that's everything I wanted, and it still stinks. I love what I do, but I hate my job. Why? The hours, the hierarchy/ marketing competitive psychology, the tediousness. And that's going to be true in nearly ANY job, at least in the U.S. Working 9am - 5pm with a half an hour lunch break is draining; no one ever has time to breathe because they're all so tired from work. Everyone works 40 hour work weeks here, which isn't even a legal amount in France. Then, everything is in a large-corporation, business setting--even museums, where I am, are ultimately money-driven even though the whole point of their existence is education, which has nothing to do with money! Colleges are the same way, now, in many ways. Also, with the economy, people are getting laid off left and right. At least big businesses have the balls to call it "downsizing"--museums seem to just make up "you suck, leave" explanations to some of their best, most highly renowned workers and let them go on the spot! (Not me, yet, luckily, though I'm no where close to 'renowned').

I say it's a regulation problem, and it has been since effing bloody Reagan. My dad worked in regulation, but it was through/ sponsored by his corporation...meaning he just worked at finding loopholes and keeping the company happy/rich while following the very laissez-faire, loosely instated laws of regulation.

This grossly capitalistic, free-market, big-business, trickle-down-theory mentality is exactly the reason why individual benefits and pay are so shoddy, as well as roughly manipulated supply and demand ratios and outsourcing. Is this the fault of the business? No: it's their job to ameliorate themselves, which doesn't really include anything but the whole business--it's the 'another brick in the wall' way of functioning, which works for business. The people who are effing up aren't the businesses, they're the government. The reason government exists (according to John Locke) is to protect the individual, meaning both safety and rights. Regulation should be a government-funded, government-provided institution, which it's not.

[hellas1]

@.K.,

You seem to be correct my man.

The U.S. job scene is NOT cool, indeed.

In European nations like Italy, Spain, & Greece last I knew, they had a "Siesta-ish" time when businesses would close from 12 noon to 3pm and then reopen and then close at 5-6pm.

I don't even know if that's true or not. BTW, I just applied for American/Greek dual citizenship in Boston, which I hope pans out IF I move to Greece. Even there though it's a "who you know" rationale.

@Gaidin,

You mean "To support a company's or a corporations' interests." Right?

Also, "Day jobs?" I work 7:30 am to 6pm Mon-Friday and every 3rd Saturday at my current job.
What are you talking about?

hellas1

[.K.]

@.K.,

You seem to be correct my man.

The U.S. job scene is NOT cool, indeed.

In European nations like Italy, Spain, & Greece last I knew, they had a "Siesta-ish" time when businesses would close from 12 noon to 3pm and then reopen and then close at 5-6pm.

I don't even know if that's true or not. BTW, I just applied for American/Greek dual citizenship in Boston, which I hope pans out IF I move to Greece. Even there though it's a "who you know" rationale.

hellas1

Ah, yes, my coworker is a Spanish major and she talked about Siesta-time. That sounds amazing.

I'm going abroad in two years, and hoping to intern in England (I'll only have a student visa, so unpaid)...but I may end up there one day, who knows? It's something that's sort of been cooking in the back of my mind, especially since most of the Art History I study is European. I hear its easy to get Irish citizenship if you have a grandparent from the country, which I think I can qualify for.

[Gaidin]

@Gaidin,

You mean "To support a company's or a corporations' interests." Right?

Also, "Day jobs?" I work 7:30 am to 6pm Mon-Friday and every 3rd Saturday at my current job.
What are you talking about?

hellas1

No. When I say day job i mean this is the job I work to pay the bills and support doing the stuff that I like doing. I go to work, typically during the day, I work for some megalomaniacal corporation, they give me a paycheck. I spend that money to maintain my standard of living and support whatever hobbies or interests I have.

Key point. I don't get paid for doing what my hobbies and interests entail.

It's a contextual definition that springs up when some drunk fool starts singing an idiot song(and sucks at it) and when its over everybody around him tells him not to quit his day job no matter how much he likes singing.

[Sadreddine]

In European nations like Italy, Spain, & Greece last I knew, they had a "Siesta-ish" time when businesses would close from 12 noon to 3pm and then reopen and then close at 5-6pm.

Now this nonsense really got me. You are absolutely misinformed. My job from 8am to 6pm in Spain (1 hour lunch time, if you want to sleep during that time go ahead, you just don't eat) is perhaps most typical, whilst 8.30 to 7 or 8 pm is not unusual. 11 working hours a day being quite the average.

And what's that nonsense about having a siesta in working hours anyway? Do you think all spanish people work in tourist stores or something? Normal stores open from 9am till 9.30-10pm in Spain (closing from 2pm to 5pm). Haven't seen that anywhere in the world.

Working 9-5pm with half an hour lunch. Heh. Where do I have to sign up?

[Homeros]

Its called a job, not a hobby or something. How many people would go to work when they're not paid for doing it anymore?

Not many.

[hellas1]

@Ibn Rushd,

Sorry pal, I haven't been to Greece in years. I really AM ignorant of how Europe has changed.

Calm your ass down.

@Ferrets54,

I asked for REAL responses not "yeah...they were rocket scientists & beer drinkers"

Stop posting.

@Homeros,

Sir, I asked "Why" in the sense of "How did things get to be like they are?"

Along those lines.

hellas1

[Gaidin]

most jobs suck because most jobs are day jobs to support an interest. Not very many people get paid to work their interests.

[boofhead]

My job's pretty good, but the pressure gets to me sometimes. And the money's quite adequate. But if I won $90 million in Ozball tomorrow I'm not sure I would give the required notice. Well, maybe I would, they've been good to me. But I'd give my notice that same day.

[bushbush]

if you love what you are doing, then the job doesn't stink. So always try to find a job that you are most interested in doing.

[hellas1]

@Bushbush,

Again, sir, Easier said than done, especially in America!

hellas1

[bushbush]

@Bushbush,

Again, sir, Easier said than done, especially in America!

hellas1

really?

wut's ur main interests bro? do you have any special aspiration in life that you'd like to work towards?

[Gauvin]

Jobs suck today because people of today don't know what it was like to work in quarries or shovel coal and horse manure.

[Chlodwig I.]

I guess in most western countries you work around 40 h a week
thats normal
and that you often have a job only to pay your bills and not for fun
is also true.

By the way considering spain
Many spanish companies are removing the siesta time
today you will find it in majority only left in the retail sector.
Especially international Companies can't afford to have a hughe break while rest
of the EU is working

So the question is whats better?
to work from 8-19 with a 3 hours break from 12-15
or work from 8-17 with a 1 hour break from 12-13?

I prefer the one where I can go early home and have more time for my hobbies.