Why All the Commies and Atheists?

[EmperorBatman999]

Just wondering why so many people don't beleive in religion and support communism? You guys don't even beleive there is somebody watching out for you up there? And why do you guys like communism? It failed almost everywhere where it was given a chance.

[bushbush]

kinda of a dumbass question to ask I think. If you don't believe in religion, you aren't automatically a communist. Atheism isn't communism.

[MaximiIian]

kinda of a dumbass question to ask I think. If you don't believe in religion, you aren't automatically a communist. Atheism isn't communism.

This.

Not to mention that Communism isn't necessarily atheistic. Not even orthodox Marxism is strictly atheist; it takes the position that religion as an economic force won't be necessary, but promptly avoids saying anything else. Marx's phrase "opium of the people" is very ambiguous, anyway.
Hell, most Communists in, say, Latin America are probably devout Catholics that lean towards Liberation Theology.

[Axeman]

Read the Kommunist Manifesto by Karl Marx or before you ask a question google it.

Search for "Opium of the Masses"

If your asking why on a personal level thats a different story.

[Claudius Gothicus]

LOL









There's lots of atheists and non religious folks in TWC, there's also some socialists but really full of commies and atheists? And if it was flooded with those people would you have a problem

[Phier]

While Godless commie became an American cliche, I have to ask, what the hell are you talking about?

I've been an atheist longer than you have been alive and I'm about as far from a communist as you can get.

I think you are confusing state policy in the USSR with philosophy.

[Habelo]

I was about to ask why so many people still in this age tend to believe in magicicall religions when those who use logic and rationall thinking can blow up the moon and cure deasieses?

[EmperorBatman999]

I noticed that alot of socialists appear to be Atheist, too. But why do alot of you guys support socialism and communism?
@ Phier, I doubt my dad would allow me to read Karl Marx's (or as I call him, the Santa Claus of evil), nor would I want to either, because he runs a company, and I don't like the idea of communism, anyway.

[cfmonkey45]

I noticed that alot of socialists appear to be Atheist, too. But why do alot of you guys support socialism and communism?
@ Phier, I doubt my dad would allow me to read Karl Marx's (or as I call him, the Santa Claus of evil), nor would I want to either, because he runs a company, and I don't like the idea of communism, anyway.

Lol. Way to block the other side of the argument. Here, let me google it for you.

Speaking as a capitalist and a Christian, I highly recommend that everyone read the Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital at least once.

Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man—state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d'honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion. Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.[1]

[Phier]

I noticed that alot of socialists appear to be Atheist, too. But why do alot of you guys support socialism and communism?
@ Phier, I doubt my dad would allow me to read Karl Marx's (or as I call him, the Santa Claus of evil), nor would I want to either, because he runs a company, and I don't like the idea of communism, anyway.

I'm an atheist, I own a corporation, and think communism is only slightly more idiotic than socialism. Religion has NOTHING to do with it. Its really two completely differenthought processes.

[cfmonkey45]

Albert Einstein: Jewish
Charles Darwin: Agnostic (coincidentally, the only formal schooling he got was as a theologian).
Abraham Lincoln: Unspecified, but his wife claims that he "turned his heart towards Christ".
Thomas Jefferson: Christian Deist
Benjamin Franklin: Deist

[Phier]

Albert Einstein: Jewish
Charles Darwin: Agnostic (coincidentally, the only formal schooling he got was as a theologian).
Abraham Lincoln: Unspecified, but his wife claims that he "turned his heart towards Christ".
Thomas Jefferson: Christian Deist
Benjamin Franklin: Deist

You failed before you begun.

[LegionnaireX]

You failed before you begun.

To be fair Einstein was not Jewish but niether was he athiest, I believe he specifically stated that he was not to be considered athiest. Also, the rest of the people in the painting aren't really atheists. Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Lincoln was not a Christian but most likely a theist, Hemmingway's and Twain's exact religious beliefs are rather unknown, I'd just classify them as irreligious. Carl Sagan was definately an atheist though.

[Caduet]

You failed before you begun.

Actually you failed. Einstein did not believe in a personal god, true. However, he was no atheist. He said that he was agnostic. He also said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."

Not even Einstein likes ass hole atheists. Especially when they try to include him in their damned legions.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Albert Einstein: Jewish
Charles Darwin: Agnostic (coincidentally, the only formal schooling he got was as a theologian).
Abraham Lincoln: Unspecified, but his wife claims that he "turned his heart towards Christ".
Thomas Jefferson: Christian Deist
Benjamin Franklin: Deist

All the aforementioned men had rejected religion as false, that's what we can easily conclude. Men like Jefferson and Franklin were deist between no God and a deist God, you can easily discern that from their writings. In fact, Jefferson thought that anyone who believes that Bible (or Torah/Quran/Gita for that matter) is a little cuckoo in the head.

Darwin was also not an agnostic. He had realized first hand that whatever the Bible told them about the origin of life was false.

Lastly, a lot of men that lived before the the post-modern age may be considered deist and/or agnostic because of an absence of an atheistic perspective at their time. That perspective, though it existed before, was solidified with the great findings of Charles Darwin. Most great minds, if not all, born after the advent of Darwin have hence not been deist but atheist. Indeed, many Greeks, chief among them Democritus, the father of modern science, would be considered an atheist had he been born in our age.

Lastly, deism with it's impersonal God is not too different from atheism in the sense that it too rejects all organized religion, religious dogma and everything else that comes with it.

[MaximiIian]

Darwin was also not an agnostic.

Even though he said, in his own words, that he was agnostic.

[chilon]

Lastly, deism with it's impersonal God is not too different from atheism in the sense that it too rejects all organized religion, religious dogma and everything else that comes with it.

Rejecting biblical literalism and entities that support it is not at all the same as rejecting all non-materialist beliefs.

Beliefs are more varied than the false dichotomy of "theism/atheism".

Deism and other belief systems such as Pantheism are just as different from atheism as they are theism.

[The Count(er)]

I noticed that alot of socialists appear to be Atheist, too. But why do alot of you guys support socialism and communism?
@ Phier, I doubt my dad would allow me to read Karl Marx's (or as I call him, the Santa Claus of evil), nor would I want to either, because he runs a company, and I don't like the idea of communism, anyway.

Wait, your telling me that your fine with blindly hating something for no other reason than you were told to and don't have a problem with having that side censored so you can continue to hate it without knowing anything? I'm fine with people having different opinions, but this is really quite wrong.

[Manoflooks]

Just wondering why so many people don't beleive in religion and support communism? You guys don't even beleive there is somebody watching out for you up there? And why do you guys like communism? It failed almost everywhere where it was given a chance.

I noticed that alot of socialists appear to be Atheist, too. But why do alot of you guys support socialism and communism?
@ Phier, I doubt my dad would allow me to read Karl Marx's (or as I call him, the Santa Claus of evil), nor would I want to either, because he runs a company, and I don't like the idea of communism, anyway.

Way to show yourself as an ignorant intolerant...doofus.

First of all, no I dont believe there is somebody watching out for me up there. Try re-reading what you said-you might realize your statement is the idiotic one.

Second, your refusing to read Marx, and calling him the "Santa Claus of evil" without either reading his works or knowing the difference between marxism-leninism and and Communism as stalin and mao interpreted it, proves my point further.

[EmperorBatman999]

Way to show yourself as an ignorant intolerant...doofus.

First of all, no I dont believe there is somebody watching out for me up there. Try re-reading what you said-you might realize your statement is the idiotic one.

Second, your refusing to read Marx, and calling him the "Santa Claus of evil" without either reading his works or knowing the difference between marxism-leninism and and Communism as stalin and mao interpreted it, proves my point further.

Communism has too many loopholes to continuously be incorrupt, after Lenin stepped down, Communism revealed its loopholes and allowed a tyrant to take power. My dad isn't influencing my ideas, it is just that I wouldn't want to see him not allowed to run his company anymore and forced to work in some factory or our nice house taken away in the event America suddenly went communist/socialist. I live in the lower-end high class where we aren't Bill Gates rich but still a little bit better off than most Americans.
Also, don't think that I'm blinded with Christian thinking, but I do beleive Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that there is a god watching us...