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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8173079.stm
    Alarm over Somalia's child soldiers


    For years, warlords have conscripted children to fight in bitter conflicts over money, power and land. The BBC Somali service's Mohamed Mohamed reveals widespread alarm that the practice is now becoming entrenched in Somalia.
    Children man checkpoints and administer lashings in Mogadishu

    Children as young as eight years old are going missing.
    Some are drugged, others brainwashed and some paid $50 (£30) for every month they fight.
    Most people are frightened to speak openly, but those who can afford it are sending their children out of the country to safety.
    An elderly man who did not want to be named publicly told how his 15-year-old son had vanished.
    He said he had looked everywhere for his boy, and even asked the militant Islamist group al-Shabab whether they had seen him.
    They said they had not, but he later found out that al-Shabab had convinced the boy to join their jihad so "he would go to heaven if he died".
    Children as shields
    "After a long search I found out that my son is being held in a training camp on the outskirts of Baidoa," he said.
    "They are using our children as a shield. But the children of people who claim to be leaders are not in the camps. They are not fighting.
    "Al-Shabab only use children from the poor as fighters."
    The boy stops public transport and checks if there are men and women passengers sharing the seats. If he finds them, he tells them to get off the bus and flogs them


    Mogadishu resident

    A Mogadishu resident says he has seen 10-year-old children on street corners in Mogadishu armed with AK47s.
    "A child of about 12 years old, armed with a gun and a whip works at a crossroads in Mogadishu's Bakara market," he says.
    "The boy stops public transport and checks if there are men and women passengers sharing the seats.
    "If he finds them, he tells them to get off the bus and flogs them in public while other members of al-Shabab sit under roadside trees nearby."
    Trained by foreigners
    Hundreds of Somali youngsters are recruited and trained in camps in southern Somalia by al-Shabab, according to a senior police officer.



    Meeting al-Shabab
    Somali justice, Islamist-style

    "The people involved in training children are foreigners who speak English or Arabic and they use translators to help them," says Colonel Abdullahi Hassan Barise.
    "They are from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Chechnya and other countries."
    He said a few months ago, the police caught a small bus carrying teenagers at a police checkpoint outside Mogadishu.
    The children were from villages and towns in Lower Juba and they had been transported by al-Shabab.



    In their inquiries, he said they had found that some of the children had been threatened while others were brainwashed into believing that they would go to paradise if they took part in what was described as the defence of Somalia and Islam.
    "Some of the children said that a Pakistani trainer used to spike their drinks with something," he said.
    He also said some of the street children in Mogadishu are recruited as they are the most vulnerable, because there is no family to look after them.
    American jihadists
    Even Somalis who live overseas are not safe from the child recruitment effort of the Islamists.
    In the US state of Minnesota, some young men from the Somali community have been recruited to fight with al-Shabab, and have been killed.

    Children are brainwashed, threatened, drugged or paid to fight

    In October last year, at least one of them, Shirwa Mohamed, carried out a suicide attack against security services in Bosasso in north-eastern Somalia.
    Omar Jamal, a community leader in Minnesota, blames local jihadists' influence on young people.
    "They were targeting young, vulnerable boys at colleges and universities to indoctrinate them and tell them to join and fight the jihad," he says.
    "Some of them were provided with cash and Somali passports and they were persuaded to join this global jihadist ideology and they fall for it.
    "We want this to come to an end and we want the US government to investigate."
    Meanwhile, the FBI is already looking into how and why these Somali youngsters choose to leave a comfortable life in the US for the dangerous conditions in Somalia.
    A worker for a children's rights group in Somalia says that, while using children as soldiers is not new, the scale, number and age of those involved is worrying.
    Parents try to stop their children from being recruited - but the lack of schools or other activities as well as, in some cases, peer pressure makes it difficult.
    Seriously, like how many countries have had large numbers of child soliders now. WTF?

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    Don't forget Germany at the end of WWII. It's awful but it's not limited to Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tullyccro View Post
    Don't forget Germany at the end of WWII. It's awful but it's not limited to Africa.
    Yeah this sort of thing can happen anywhere where things have completely fallen apart. All you can really do is wait for the country to return to order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    Yeah this sort of thing can happen anywhere where things have completely fallen apart. All you can really do is wait for the country to return to order.
    This, but I don't know how long it's going to take for order to return to that place...

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    AS said in the article they are quite easy to persuade/brainwashing into joining. Young and naive people are always easier to manipulate then grown ups. Plus I guess they are cheaper and easier to command then adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tullyccro View Post
    Don't forget Germany at the end of WWII. It's awful but it's not limited to Africa.
    Germany was more similar to Paraguay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Triple_Alliance
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    The Paraguayan people had been fanatically committed to López and the war effort, and as a result they fought to the point of dissolution. Paraguay suffered massive casualties, losing perhaps the majority of its population. The war left it utterly prostrate.

    A Brazilian priest with Paraguayan refugees coming from San Pedro, 1869 or 1870.


    The specific numbers of casualties are hotly disputed, but it has been estimated that 300,000 Paraguayans, mostly civilians, died; up to 90% of the male population may have been killed. According to one numerical estimation, the prewar population of approximately 525,000 Paraguayans was reduced to about 221,000 in 1871, of which only about 28,000 were men. Definitively accurate casualty numbers will probably never be determined.
    Of the around 123,000 Brazilians that fought in the War of the Triple Alliance, the best estimates say that around 50,000 died. Uruguayan forces counted barely 5,600 men (some of whom were foreigners),[citation needed] of whom about 3,100 died. Argentina lost around 18,000 of its 30,000 combatants.
    The high rates of mortality, however, were not the result of the armed conflict in itself. Bad food and very bad hygiene caused most of the deaths. Among the Brazilians, two-thirds of the killed died in hospitals and marching prior to facing the enemy. In the beginning of the conflict, most of the Brazilian soldiers came from the north and northeast regions of the country; the changes from a hot to cold climate and the amount of food available to them were abrupt. Drinking river water was sometimes fatal to entire battalions of Brazilians. Cholera was perhaps the main cause of death during the war.


    The use of child soldiers in Africa is occuring when full grown men are capable of fighting but the political leaders can not convince them to. Iran used child soldiers in the Iran-Iraq war to clear land mines. The use of child soldiers in Africa is another disgusting matter that makes an awful situation inhumanely deplorable.
    Last edited by nopasties; August 03, 2009 at 02:52 PM.

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    Default Re: What is with Africa and Child Soldiers?

    And don't forget that the Romans armed their children and old men after Cannae.

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    A result of poor education and poverty I'd have to assume. Makes for an easily impressionable and misled mind and if you can't convince them with trickery, drugs or brainwashing, then you can buy them out for cheap. Easy to manipulate.


    Not as though they are the first though, it happened in Vietnam and probably parts of the pacific during WWII as I'm sure Russia children took up arms during Stalingrad and all that.

    I'd imagine the Child soldier offers an expendable peice of "cannon fodder". They are children so have no valuable skills other than their ability to point and shoot.
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    Young, impreshinable, full of energy and easily replaced. the harsh truth.

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    Was quite common with the LTTE as well ... or even those islamic terror groups !

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    This happened a lot in places like Myanmar and what not didn't it? SE Asia is pretty common for child soldiers too. I think the biggest reason is because it's very easy to indoctrinate a child, and as the only saying goes "Is there anything more cruel than a child" or something like that.

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    Don't forget Germany at the end of WWII. It's awful but it's not limited to Africa.
    True. Columbia had a huge problem with this at one point. They may still have one, I'm not sure. And don't forget Iran during the Iran/Iraq War.

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    Somalia has no oil or natural resources so there is no need for democracy and peace
    honestly there are no schools,no serious future,no jobs,so there is only one way to obtain something to live is to rob and terrorize,so they are "educating" future "warriors" from childhood,we must blame those harsh conditions which forced Somalians into doing this
    Germany was more similar to Paraguay
    though using children as soldiers is unjustifiable in any case there still is a big difference,Germans had no choice left,they were surrounded,while in Somalia there is no real enemy,there are only people who are blinded by Tribalism and religious fanaticism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvatorel View Post
    Somalia has no oil or natural resources so there is no need for democracy and peace
    Oh please, the UN and US made plenty of effort in Somalia.

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    remember that al-shaab didnt have much power when the islamic courts were in control... now that no one rules somalia.. is going down

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    Why you justify the German use of child soldiers during ww2?They armed kids to face experienced soldiers and they were massacred.It is a crime equal to this in Somalia or elsewhere because a)they brainwashed them with all this Nazi propaganda and b)they used them even when they knew there was no chance to win the war.Many find this childish resistance as heroic were in fact it was tragic

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    un doesnt do anywhr...

    usa is seen as a oppresor

    ... that country has been ed since independence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berke Khan View Post
    un doesnt do anywhr...

    usa is seen as a oppresor

    ... that country has been ed since independence
    wat r u talking about ?

    calling the entire history of the U.S.A ed up is kind of ignorant !

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    The Taliban are kidnapping kids also but brainwashing them to become suicide bombers. Not really child soldiers, but child IEDs.

    I think the Africans are more humane.

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    Yea, they have manchettes.

    The only good part of somalia is somaliland...
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