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    Default Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    It's only been 7 months since he became President of the United States. He has created the biggest defect in US history. Trying to leave Iraq before the end of the year and try to win the war in Afghanistan before the end of his term. Trying to have socialized Healthcare before the end of the year. What else he is going to do before this year ends. Is he trying to overload him self? He can't save America and the World before Jan 1 2010.

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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    Considering he's never really done anything I'm not sure how to answer.

    The troop withdrawals are not on his timetable, that was established by the outgoing administration though when Obama says "residual forces" as if he's up to something new it is a bit funny.

    As far as healthcare goes, it's worth noting that every single democratic candidate since FDR has made universal healthcare a talking point on their campaign and then later reneged once in office. I expect the same charade from Obama's people and the news seems to confirm this more each day. It's called false reform. Bill Clinton was also good at faking it, though we know he didn't fake it with Monica since she had the proof.

    Obama has almost faultlessly carried out GW's legacy except with some major changes to PR strategy. And of course, since he's a Democrat the powers that be demanded he hand over all his chips at the beginning of the hand, which he so dutifully did by giving the insurance and finance industries nearly a trillion dollars in his first few months in office.

    I'd say he's stagnant and his legacy (preventing that we don't go to war) will be as the president who paid out a trillion dollars to people who already had ten.
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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    I'm sure he would be off to a much more popular start if showing up to work and hitting the "present but not voting" button was an option for him. He perfected that action in Illinois. The blue dogs will turn like usual. They are just holding out for better bids.
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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    What's January 1st, 2010?

    And it's because we've all put such expectation into him as the US system is so individually-politician driven when we really should be demanding more from the institution and not the president himself.

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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    Nothing, pretty much, except for the beginning of a new decade. Nor in 2012.


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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    Compare your claims to the following link.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/fiscal/

    Are they on track?

    Edit: This is from September 2008.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAO
    Our long-term simulations show that absent policy actions aimed at deficit
    reduction, the federal government faces unsustainable growth in debt.
    Such growth would inevitably result in declining GDP and future living
    standards.
    http://www.house.gov/budget_republic...7gaoreport.pdf

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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    I do think so, yes. He was elected on an enormous amount of goodwill, but the situation got a lot worse before he actually took office. He promised too much, and the people expected too much, so he's had to do way too much too quickly to appear as if he is coming good on his promises... the Stimulus bill summed this up. An unnecessary, expensive and unaffordable measure aimed only at giving the impression he was being hands on and pro-active in helping them out.

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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    An unnecessary, expensive and unaffordable measure aimed only at giving the impression he was being hands on and pro-active in helping them out.
    Ehh... except that it was necessary. The average USA consumer needed a small boost to get back on his feet. If the stimulus was enough or so... this remains to be seen. So far, the markets have been stabilized and while things could have been better, I believe they would be far worse without the stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Ehh... except that it was necessary. The average USA consumer needed a small boost to get back on his feet. If the stimulus was enough or so... this remains to be seen. So far, the markets have been stabilized and while things could have been better, I believe they would be far worse without the stimulus.


    Ah so YOU got a stimulus check or tax cut?
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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Ehh... except that it was necessary. The average USA consumer needed a small boost to get back on his feet. If the stimulus was enough or so... this remains to be seen. So far, the markets have been stabilized and while things could have been better, I believe they would be far worse without the stimulus.
    Which clauses of the stimulus bill have stabilised which markets? and in what way?
    How many tax cuts, or tax credits for the average consumer were present in the Stimulus bill?
    How many jobs were created, and how many saved by the bill?
    How many tax cuts, tax payments delays, or loan guarantee scheme were present in the Stimulus bill and if so how many businesses have they helped/saved?

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    Default Re: Is Obama showing his inexperince by doing too much.

    It's called campaigning. You make promises and you try to make them happen. Especially with a majority in the house and senate you can make bold promises, because it forces your own party into a corner. Obama promised a lot not because he is inexperienced, but because this is the best opportunity for the Democratic party in decades and he would be stupid not to do it.

    When George H.W. Bush promised "read my lips: no new taxes", and subsequently raised taxes, did you call him inexperienced? All candidates do it.. It's simply politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZaPPPa View Post
    It's called campaigning. You make promises and you try to make them happen. Especially with a majority in the house and senate you can make bold promises, because it forces your own party into a corner. Obama promised a lot not because he is inexperienced, but because this is the best opportunity for the Democratic party in decades and he would be stupid not to do it.

    When George H.W. Bush promised "read my lips: no new taxes", and subsequently raised taxes, did you call him inexperienced? All candidates do it.. It's simply politics.
    Comparing GWB attempting to make a deal with the democrats who controlled congress and taking the political hit for it, with Obama's complete lies he never intended to keep is a bit disingenuous
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