Castro to US: Communist cuba will stay so.

[Downey]

Found this thought I'd share.


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...57102420090802

Im a toss up on this issue, I kinda wanna let the country stay in the hole it is because supporting their current Government would be mocking the thousands (maybe + dont know) Cubans who fled their country when the dictatorship came around. But I also am open to start discussions and bring them around to democracy threw business, kinda like what we did with China (kinda a stretch)

anyways thoughts.

P.S. I wont be around much the next 13 weeks because im shiping off to Marine boot (San Diego), anyways this is my thank you to the community and have had alot of fun debating politics with you mudslingers over my short 2 month career

[nopasties]

Found this thought I'd share.


http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...57102420090802

Im a toss up on this issue, I kinda wanna let the country stay in the hole it is because supporting their current Government would be mocking the thousands (maybe + dont know) Cubans who fled their country when the dictatorship came around. But I also am open to start discussions and bring them around to democracy threw business, kinda like what we did with China (kinda a stretch)

anyways thoughts.

P.S. I wont be around much the next 13 weeks because im shiping off to Marine boot (San Diego), anyways this is my thank you to the community and have had alot of fun debating politics with you mudslingers over my short 2 month career

Semper Fi, good luck man. The leadership of Cuba sucks but I'm for opening up relations with them.

[somerandomMinja]

I myself am a Cuban-American . My grandparents from my mother's side family were immigrants and my whole family has a Cuban influence . Opening relations with Cuba is a good thing , alot of people here in Miami (including my family) send medicine and other goods to their families in Cuba that they cannot get over there , a lot of people . Also s lot of families like to go visit and having bad relations with Cuba would not help this at all .

I wouldnt say I agree with supporting their government , it is obviously flawd . A reform is surely needed desperately needed over there .

[Stavroforos]

I would support efforts to reform their government and make it more democratic, though not necessarily making it a US-proxy again. From a general percpective, I'd rather have a socialist Cuba than a Cuba which is going to be a banana republic.

[Son of Mao]

I would support efforts to reform their government and make it more democratic, though not necessarily making it a US-proxy again. From a general percpective, I'd rather have a socialist Cuba than a Cuba which is going to be a banana republic.

Why do you distain US influence so much? Personally I think we should leave them alone, but I know if the Castro Regime the new government would be strongly Pro US, so I am actually split.

[Stavroforos]

Why do you distain US influence so much? Personally I think we should leave them alone, but I know if the Castro Regime the new government would be strongly Pro US, so I am actually split.

I don't disdain US influence, but I want the Cuban people to choose their own fate, rather than have it chosen for them by others as it had been for basically all of their history up to the revolution.

[Keravnos]

The plan for next year, he said, calls for Cuba to have a "balance of payments, without deficit" and to put priority on producing products and services that bring hard currency.

To achieve a balance of payments, there needs to be a way of making money. If tourism falters, which is what is happening due to the financial crisis, then anything else is, well, really crowded. Cuba can't be China, and with tourism going out of the window for the moment, only thing that Cuba has to sell are its agricultural products, which is just not good enough, in a global economy which has a lot of agricultural crops which are better than Cuba's. To achieve those goals Cuba would need a reformation of its financial structure, which the current regime just won't allow, for fear it would lead to its doom. The people of Cuba are the victims of this total mismanagement.

Allow me to say that I know what I am talking about. I was 12 years old, part of the Choir of Ioannina and went over to Communist Albania. It was like warped back in time. Seeing a country living in 1950 (which is what Cuba is living in right now) with people just looking like they were prisoners in their own country-which is what they were). I think we owe to the people living in that country to try to make their lives better. The question is how. What isn't in doubt however, is just how poor (pun intended) the financial administration of its current regime has been, and how rich its politburo has become over 47 years of helotry that the Cuban People has had to go through.

The official newspaper Granma quoted Economy and Planning Minister Marino Murillo Jorge on Saturday as saying there would be more decentralization of the economy.

Decentralization of what exactly? How is a country without a decent financial system going to decentralize? That would be like trying to decentralize cancer... That's called Metastasis aka,

spread of a disease from one organ or part to another non-adjacent organ or part. Only malignant tumor cells and infections have the established capacity to metastasize;

not cure.

Castro's biggest reform since taking office has been the decentralization of decision-making in agriculture and putting more land in the hands of private farmers to increase food output.

Provided of course that they don't get too aggravating to the Communist regime in charge or it is ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
time.

He also has pushed for Cubans to be paid based on their production, with the aim of creating incentives for them to work harder.

That's the real crux of the problem right there. Working harder simply to make ends meet isn't going to cut it when reality sets in that they are in fact working for their politburo overlords' pocket. You just can't fool all of the Cubans all of the time. They know what happened in other "sandinista" lands when the communist party's former politburo members went from diehard stalinists and communists to being huge property owners overnight. They know this is the fate that awaits them here as well. They want out.

Castro has also launched a fight against widespread corruption that he says is choking the Cuban economy. Before his speech, the National Assembly approved creation of the comptroller general's office, with powers to audit and control all government and economic activities.

The only effective way to combat corruption on the massive scale that any communist regime produces is to combat communism itself. It is like cancer. You can fight the pain it causes with aspirins or you can go all out and eradicate cancer. It will be very difficult in the short run, but if you succeed (almost all countries that got rid of communism are better off) then you get a normal life back, which is all that the people of Cuba really want. A peaceful, normal life. Not one that the government obliges them to march the streets chanting slogans they don't believe anymore, existing on bare subsistence levels while their politburo masters try to figure out a way to make themselves richer.

All the reforms Cuba may try, can't lead anywhere until Cuba starts to face up to the fact that Communism can't work. If Cuba becomes more Capitalistic "under the hood" at least its people will have a better chance of a better life other than survival. Cuba would be wise to use the will of the Cuban ancestry Americans to help their families on the Island itself. They would be the first to assist their brothers and cousins in need. To do this, however, some reforms are necessary. That takes political will, not just communist wooden rhetoric.

God bless you Uncle Fidel. You resisted them for so long. They tried to kill you so many times and starve your people for so long.

... some inconsistencies of your post...

God bless you Uncle Fidel.

Uncle Fidel was an atheist, so he would probably look down on you for your "God Bless" and blame you for pulling an "Opium of the masses" on him. He was a communist, remember? They don't believe in God, last I checked.

You resisted them for so long.

47 years of living in Cuba... care to try it? (Be aware that you will be part of the proletariat not the politburo).

They tried to kill you so many times

Now it seems that time will do to Castro what the Americans supposedly failed to do.
Castro is well on his way to meet Stalin and Pol Pot. There are conflicting opinions exactly where that would take place. I have no doubts in my mind where that will be, but you are, of course, welcome to believe whatever you will.

and starve your people for so long.

Castro could do that very well by himself. He didn't need the Americans to do that for him. Look at the starvation at North Korea or Pol Pot's killing fields to see exactly what the communists are prepared to do in order to stay in power and destroy all opposition. Had it not been for the mainly European tourists to Cuba (and the euros they leave behind) as well as the Cuban relatives sending whatever they can spare to their family members in Cuba, Castro would be the Kim Jong Il of the Caribbean.

My own personal views is that we shouldn't give so much credit to an Imperial German intelligence operation to overthrow the Czarist Russia (That's how Communism got started-Lenin was let loose on a war torn country). Just take a look at what happened to wherever it was that Communism took power.

[Heinz Guderian]

God bless you Uncle Fidel. You resisted them for so long. They tried to kill you so many times and starve your people for so long.

[Dunecat]

... some inconsistencies of your post...



Uncle Fidel was an atheist, so he would probably look down on you for your "God Bless" and blame you for pulling an "Opium of the masses" on him. He was a communist, remember? They don't believe in God, last I checked.



47 years of living in Cuba... care to try it? (Be aware that you will be part of the proletariat not the politburo).



Now it seems that time will do to Castro what the Americans supposedly failed to do.
Castro is well on his way to meet Stalin and Pol Pot. There are conflicting opinions exactly where that would take place. I have no doubts in my mind where that will be, but you are, of course, welcome to believe whatever you will.



Castro could do that very well by himself. He didn't need the Americans to do that for him. Look at the starvation at North Korea or Pol Pot's killing fields to see exactly what the communists are prepared to do in order to stay in power and destroy all opposition. Had it not been for the mainly European tourists to Cuba (and the euros they leave behind) as well as the Cuban relatives sending whatever they can spare to their family members in Cuba, Castro would be the Kim Jong Il of the Caribbean.

My own personal views is that we shouldn't give so much credit to an Imperial German intelligence operation to overthrow the Czarist Russia (That's how Communism got started-Lenin was let loose on a war torn country). Just take a look at what happened to wherever it was that Communism took power.

This isn't 1950, you can read a book now.

Uncle Fidel was an atheist, so he would probably look down on you for your "God Bless" and blame you for pulling an "Opium of the masses" on him. He was a communist, remember? They don't believe in God, last I checked.

Have you ever read and understood any of Marx's writings? Particularly the text that contains that quote?

Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.

There was no condemnation or scorn. It is a critique but still tying back to the economic realities. He wouldn't see a need for "salvation" later if there was salvation now, if the system was just.

There are communists of many stripes, and certainly many admirers of communists who are christians themselves.

[nopasties]

Castro is well on his way to meet Stalin and Pol Pot.

Castro is hardly a good guy but he is not in the same league of evil as those two.

[Yoda Twin]

... some inconsistencies of your post...



Uncle Fidel was an atheist, so he would probably look down on you for your "God Bless" and blame you for pulling an "Opium of the masses" on him. He was a communist, remember? They don't believe in God, last I checked.



47 years of living in Cuba... care to try it? (Be aware that you will be part of the proletariat not the politburo).



Now it seems that time will do to Castro what the Americans supposedly failed to do.
Castro is well on his way to meet Stalin and Pol Pot. There are conflicting opinions exactly where that would take place. I have no doubts in my mind where that will be, but you are, of course, welcome to believe whatever you will.



Castro could do that very well by himself. He didn't need the Americans to do that for him. Look at the starvation at North Korea or Pol Pot's killing fields to see exactly what the communists are prepared to do in order to stay in power and destroy all opposition. Had it not been for the mainly European tourists to Cuba (and the euros they leave behind) as well as the Cuban relatives sending whatever they can spare to their family members in Cuba, Castro would be the Kim Jong Il of the Caribbean.

My own personal views is that we shouldn't give so much credit to an Imperial German intelligence operation to overthrow the Czarist Russia (That's how Communism got started-Lenin was let loose on a war torn country). Just take a look at what happened to wherever it was that Communism took power.

You keep referring to Pol Pot but can you tell me what part of his policies were socialist? Yes he was a communist but what he brought to Cambodia wasn't Communism, it was Hell.

[Hannibal the destroy]

what he brought to Cambodia wasn't Communism, it was Hell.

isnt that exactly what communism always brings

[Yoda Twin]

isnt that exactly what communism always brings

[Каие]

Why dose America embargo Cuba?

[MaximiIian]

Why does America embargo Cuba?

Cold War holdover. IMO, we should stop the embargo, and allow trade and tourism to resume. It'd definitely bolster Cuba's economy, and over time would cause market reforms in Cuba. Which is the first step towards political reform.

Uncle Fidel was an atheist.

At certain times in his life, yes. Other times, he graduated between agnosticism and deism. Within the past twenty years, he's been reconciling more and more with the Catholic Church.

He was a communist, remember? They don't believe in God, last I checked.

Hooray for sweeping generalisations. In fact, most of the Communists and Socialists in South America are Roman Catholics who lean towards Liberation Theology. Communism =/= Orthodox Marxism (which isn't necessarily anti-religious anyway).

[Mangalore]

Cold War holdover. IMO, we should stop the embargo, and allow trade and tourism to resume. It'd definitely bolster Cuba's economy, and over time would cause market reforms in Cuba. Which is the first step towards political reform. ...

Sounds like a plan. Cuddling your enemy to death is one of the most evil and mischievous plans one can achieve. In essence, by opening up one could show the Cubans what they are missing out on and they can draw conclusion of what parts of their system is worth saving and what is not themselves.

[ivan_the_terrible]

Why dose America embargo Cuba?

'Cos it's fun.

[Father Jack]

Why dose America embargo Cuba?

Was just about to ask the same question. Pretty much every other country doesnt seem to have a problem with Cuba, but if the USA lift the embargo then that would allow greater economic growth in Cuba, which would obviously benefit the Cuban people. Im guessing its that good 'ole American fear of communism.

[Admiral Piett]

Why dose America embargo Cuba?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...o_against_Cuba

Should answer your question. We embargoed Cuba in the events leading up to the Bay of Pigs invasion in '62 where the US was supposed to back an army of Cuban exiles to topple Castro's regime. However, Kennedy had a sudden change of heart and although the invasion by the Cubans took place, the US withdrew all air, naval, and land support and the invasion was quickly halted. Since then, we've instead strenthened the embargo and most Presidents have evaded the issue of another invasion for fear of political and diplomatic backlash. So instead we just cut off all trade with their ports and attempted to assassinate him a couple times.

[BNS]

As a Cuban American I feel it's only a matter of time for the eventual liberalization of Cuba. But first the generation that saw "La Revolucion", both in Cuba where the few real commies have their skin to save and those outside as there is too much bad blood amongst the exiles, has to die out.