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    Default Instant 20% rise in California State University fees

    Quote Originally Posted by San Francisco Chronicle
    (07-22) 12:12 PDT Long Beach -- - It just got about $1,000 more expensive to attend California State University for one year - and students are furious.

    With a tentative state budget agreement that gouges almost $3 billion from colleges and universities, CSU trustees voted Tuesday to raise student fees by 20 percent. They also gave campuses unprecedented power to disenroll thousands of students who keep taking classes despite having enough credits to graduate.

    It's part of an overall effort by CSU to cut $584 million from its $4.6 billion budget by reducing enrollment, laying-off employees and slashing course offerings. CSU employee unions also are wrestling with whether to accept unpaid furloughs amounting to a 10 percent pay cut, or allow additional layoffs to sweep through the system.

    "What we're doing doesn't give anyone pleasure today," Jeff Bleich, chairman of the Board of Trustees, told an auditorium full of CSU students and employees from around the state who converged on CSU headquarters in Long Beach to try to persuade the board to reject the fee hike.

    "Shame! Shame!" shouted students as the trustees voted 17-1 to raise the fee by $672, bringing to $4,827 the annual cost for an undergraduate to attend one of CSU's 23 campuses. Because the trustees had already raised the fee by 10 percent in May, the cost of attending CSU is up by almost $1,000 this fall.

    The trustees also voted to increase graduate student fees by $828 - raising their annual tuition to $4,962. Nonresident tuition was raised to more than $11,000 a year. And the fees for a teacher credential rose by $780, to $4,674.

    Even so, the fee hikes won't affect everyone. Financial aid and federal Pell Grants will shield about 42 percent of CSU students, 187,000, from having to pay the higher fees, CSU officials said.

    Casting the lone vote against the fee increases was Lt. Gov. John Garamendi, a CSU trustee as well as a regent of the University of California. Just as he had done at the regents' meeting last week, Garamendi urged the trustees on the CSU finance committee to support Assembly Bill 656 - a tax on oil refineries that he said would shower colleges with about $1 billion a year.

    "Let's see how much noise we can make to overcome the lobbying influence of the oil industry," he said to the applause of the students and faculty.

    But the trustees - like the UC regents the week before - expressed little interest in the oil tax for higher education.

    Herbert Carter, vice chair of the board, said: "It is just these kinds of special interest initiatives that have driven us to the brink of disaster."

    The audience hissed as the finance committee rejected Garamendi's idea, and several speakers accused the trustees of poorly representing their interests.

    "I'm feeling angry, frustrated and disgusted at the board for your cowardice," Gabriela Serrato, a student from Cal State Los Angeles, told the board.

    The most raucous objections came from outside the auditorium, as a couple hundred students pounded on drums and shouted their displeasure through the auditorium doors and under the windows.

    The students had been holding a continuous vigil outside the chancellor's office since Sunday evening.

    Groups of students stayed up all night in shifts - not partying or playing music - but reading aloud into a bullhorn from the California Master Plan for Higher Education.

    At times they switched to reading a well-marked copy of Paulo Freire's "Pedagogy of the Oppressed," a book dedicated "to the oppressed and to those who suffer with them and fight at their side."

    "It's been an awesome experience," said student organizer Vanessa Rojas, 22, an English major at Cal State Bakersfield on the 9:30 p.m. to 2:30 a.m. shift.

    The students also used their time to rehearse what they would shout at the trustees and at Chancellor Charles Reed as they entered the building Tuesday morning - and to practice falling down as if they were dying from the cuts to their classes.

    "Remember! Bend your knees!" an organizer admonished.

    It all fell into place Tuesday as the students and CSU employees marched with signs and noisemakers so loud that the trustees could not ignore their presence.

    One protester, sophomore Adriana Quiquivix, had been studying nursing at San Francisco State University. But all of the chemistry and lab classes she needed were full, semester after semester, she said.

    "So I signed up for the second session of summer school - and they canceled that!" she said.

    Finally, she switched to liberal studies.

    Her story of canceled classes is increasingly typical at CSU, and many students told the trustees their stories, some of them in tears.

    In the end, however, the trustees called it their fiduciary responsibility to raise fees. They said the fee increases will fill $157 million of the system's budget gap and set aside $79 million more for financial aid.

    The trustees also approved a policy in which campuses can now force the departure of "super students" - those with enough credits to graduate. They were unsure how many students would be affected.
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...type=printable


    I just paid my fees for this semester, really pisses me off how they added like $500 to my fees. Its downright ridiculous. Is increasing fees on those and their mainly middle class families the best way to solve Californias budget? The CSU system used to be FREE, and I understand that things change but this is driving the costs to high for most families and is going to create a poorly educated America and further income divide. At the risk of getting personal I also wanted to show you my fees.

    GEOG 313-Course Fee
    - Introductory Cartography = 20.00
    - This is a fair fee, this class probably requires some extra materials

    Associated Students Fee = 58.00 - Associated Students? The people who rip us off at the bookstore, control a monopoly of retailers on campus? Don't represent our interests? Give their employees ridiculous salaries? Why the hell are we paying them??

    Health Services Fee = 120.00 Health Facilities Fee = 3.00 - I already have my own health insurance, why should I have to pay into this system? This is the future of government healthcare folks. College is where they test these ideas, and honestly it is terrible.

    ID Fee = 2.00 - I am not getting a new ID, but they charge this every semester nonetheless. Whatever.

    Instruc Related Fee Athletics 2009 84.00 - Sports isn't part of educating our state, I hate this fee.

    Instructional Related Fee =40.00 - A random fee, adds up to an extra $800,00 for the school.

    State University Fee = 2,013.00 - Way to expensive already

    Student Union Fee = 348.00 - Why the am I paying this much to an ineffective union? They do nothing for me.

    Total due for this view = 2,743.00 (Oh..and housing is a whole other bundle of financial joy)

    Comments? Similiar Stories? Agreement on how much California sucks?
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    Default Re: 20% rise in CSU fees

    Californians really are spoiled.

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    I use to work in the UC system. And I know it sucks, but CA has screwed it Higher Ed system financially years ago. It was bound to happen. But your fees are still so much lower than elsewhere in the country.

    At NIU (Northern Illinois University) the average undergrad tuition and fess are $4180 a semester. And NIU are one of the cheaper IL schools.

    Secondly, you can usually have your Health Insurance fee dropped if you can prove you have Health Insurance. Go to your schools web page and find the page which talks about Student medical insurance. There is directions as to how to not be enrolled. You will probably have to do it within a specific time period, usually the first 15 days of school.
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    Default Re: Instant 20% rise in California State University fees

    Yea...

    If I paid tuition and fees it would cost:

    7,354 - Tuition
    76.00 - Activities Fee
    100.00 - Facilities Fee
    230.00 - IT Fee

    Or $7,760 a semester. Luckily you pay my tuition and fees.
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    Tuition for me would be only 3,750 but that's cause I go through a cheap school built for the military and of course I don't have to pay my tuition the taxpayers do =) (and it's not even the GI bill muhahaha).

    Anyways, I think colleges are a big f'ing scam.

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    While fees increases for Universities is never fun, 20% is really rather modest for what California is facing economically at the moment.

    One of the motions on the table was to completely cut Cal Grants out of the budget entirely. That would have hurt a smaller percentage of students (since not everyone gets Cal Grant money) but would have hurt the former Cal Grant recipients much more. An across the board fees increase this year was close to impossible to avoid. With over a 40 billion shortfall, California has cut services and increased fees everywhere. Most cities have even increased the cost of parking meters and parking tickets.

    California has many problems to address, unfortunately the combination of an almost permanent and decadent democratic legislative majority, the psuedo-grass roots ballot initiative, unrealistic and ineffective republican minority leaders and a governor who really does not have a very intelligent or innovative mind leaves California with a political situation unlikely to move towards future solutions. Fortunately in the past the state generally has been able to overcome the political obstacles from both dinosaur parties.


    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhababe View Post
    Secondly, you can usually have your Health Insurance fee dropped if you can prove you have Health Insurance. Go to your schools web page and find the page which talks about Student medical insurance. There is directions as to how to not be enrolled.
    I don't know why anyone would not want student health insurance policies.
    At least for some of the UC schools, they are far, far cheaper than any private or medicare insurance and the university medical centers where you receive care (such as UCLA medical center) are considered in the top 10 hospitals in the United States for most issues.

    My experience with University medical centers in California has been light years ahead of my experience with any private sector HMO or Medicare doctors. I would prefer to go to University medical centers for the rest of my life if possible even if that meant paying more than for a usual private sector PPO.
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    good news for me , less competition when i apply for law school there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bushbush View Post
    good news for me , less competition when i apply for law school there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post


    If you are rich don't flaunt it, especially in these times.
    i always believe in the rich-only education system anyways.

    i am joking, this economy is hurting the students the most....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetius View Post


    If you are rich don't flaunt it, especially in these times.
    You're not rich?

    You go to a university.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunecat View Post
    You're not rich?

    You go to a university.
    Everything is relative I guess.
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    $4,827 per year is nothing to complain about. In comparison to Big Ten schools, thats closer to tuition & fee's per semester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    $4,827 per year is nothing to complain about. In comparison to Big Ten schools, thats closer to tuition & fee's per semester.

    Those are for California State University Schools.

    The more expensive University of California schools which are comparable to Big Ten like Indiana, Mich and Illinois (Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, UCSB) are more like $6000 per semester.
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    I went to a school that was 20k a semester, big deal.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I went to a school that was 20k a semester, big deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I went to a school that was 20k a semester, big deal.
    Man alive, you Americans pay wayyyy too much for school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTZ View Post
    Man alive, you Americans pay wayyyy too much for school.
    We also dominate the top 100 schools in the world...

    http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm

    We have 54 of them, second highest is UK with 11...
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    You can't possibly be surprised. If they have to send IOU's to workers what makes you think the state can help fund the state universities?
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    The teacher union?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    its a big faill

    especially since me sister only got into Berkeley this year...

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