A "meaningfull" Troll poll from The Doge

[The Doge of Venice]

This is not a OMG TROLLS TOO POWERFUL FAP FAP PWN area to discuss whether they are to be nerfed, this is for a discussion more towards there abilities and whether they should be able to run amok, be more destructive but with less hit points and any other points people can think of.

[Jean=A=Luc]

And you can't discuss this in the "Troll Idea" thread, why? Maybe I'm crazy but I thought a "Troll Idea" thread would be good for discussing ideas/suggestions regarding trolls.

[Lordinquisitor]

In my opinion trolls should stay as strong as in RC/RR.

[The Doge of Venice]

sorry you needed to see the poll, you respond too quickly and this specifies the issues and allows us to see the percentages of people on each side much easier.

[Jean=A=Luc]

sorry you needed to see the poll, you respond too quickly and this specifies the issues and allows us to see the percentages of people on each side much easier.

You can't reduce the discussion about troll balancing to those four poll options, it's more complicated than that but whatever. Since your thread has a poll now it's "different" than other troll threads so closing it no longer seems so justified, right?

So discuss away people.

[BanditKS]

I have a solution that people seem to like being my mini-mod has 300+ downloads.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=2437

[Beregond]

Run amok doesn't make sence to me
already Mountain Trolls rout pretty easy if Nazgul not present in battle(cause my Gondor Generals are real uber )
trolls should have high defence to stand against the attacks of enemy and destroy them one by one

[Seleukos_I.]

they should stay as they are in 1.1

[The Doge of Venice]

I think it makes complete sense for a wounded troll like any large aggressive animals to go crazy when injured or surrounded and have no care for little orcs and stuff on his own side which it probably wouldn't anyways.

You can't reduce the discussion about troll balancing to those four poll options, it's more complicated than that but whatever. Since your thread has a poll now it's "different" than other troll threads so closing it no longer seems so justified, right?

So discuss away people.

Those were just some of the big ones I could find right away, the whole whether or not to nerf them and whether to make them cavalry or not has been way overdiscussed, if anyone else has any more points they can bring them up and in the future they may be part of a new poll by someone else since I limit my poll creations to avoid moderator wrath

[P|A|ntZ]

Speaking of large, aggressive animals, J=A=L is circling this thread like a hungry shark who smells blood.




Nonetheless, the topic is a meritous one (although probably should be merged with the other trolls one and delete the restrictive poll) so I'll weigh in.

Recommendations:
1. Unlock morale on all troll types
2. Enable run_amok so there is a chance when troll morale breaks
3. Troll formations to be mob only
4. Keep Olog HP at 6, reduce mountain trolls, cave trolls and catapult trolls HP to 4.
5. Lower troll mass to ~40 (currently 80-100). Men are ~1, mumakil are 80.
6. Reduce armor by 4 for all trolls, increase defense skill by 4 points. This will make arrows (and rear attacks) more effective without taking away from their overall melee defense.

Just my $0.02

[Achilla]

Just my ... 1 cent.

LEAVE THE TROLLS ALONE!

[MasterBigAb]

Just my ... 1 cent.

LEAVE THE TROLLS ALONE!

Agreed
- i pray for the day the troll threads will stop

[Gothic Revenge]

The stats are fine...... adding running amok to the game would be quite interesting!

[Legionnaire151]

Save the trolls!!!

Leave the poor beasts alone.

[Mythre]

Speaking of large, aggressive animals, J=A=L is circling this thread like a hungry shark who smells blood.




Nonetheless, the topic is a meritous one (although probably should be merged with the other trolls one and delete the restrictive poll) so I'll weigh in.

Recommendations:
1. Unlock morale on all troll types
2. Enable run_amok so there is a chance when troll morale breaks
3. Troll formations to be mob only
4. Keep Olog HP at 6, reduce mountain trolls, cave trolls and catapult trolls HP to 4.
5. Lower troll mass to ~40 (currently 80-100). Men are ~1, mumakil are 80.
6. Reduce armor by 4 for all trolls, increase defense skill by 4 points. This will make arrows (and rear attacks) more effective without taking away from their overall melee defense.

Just my $0.02

I like that idea I must say. Trolls should be very powerful but sometimes they get a tad ridiculous, especially their mass. I had them run straight through two units of Gondorian infantry to attack my archers behind...

[Korsan82]

Recommendations:
1. Unlock morale on all troll types
2. Enable run_amok so there is a chance when troll morale breaks
3. Troll formations to be mob only
4. Keep Olog HP at 6, reduce mountain trolls, cave trolls and catapult trolls HP to 4.
5. Lower troll mass to ~40 (currently 80-100). Men are ~1, mumakil are 80.
6. Reduce armor by 4 for all trolls, increase defense skill by 4 points. This will make arrows (and rear attacks) more effective without taking away from their overall melee defense.

Just my $0.02

totally agreed. Like said in the "troll idea" thread trolls should also have a way lower morale because they are wild animals in chains led by orcs.
Amok is only reasonable but has to be balanced.

Another idea is brought by a forum user: Leave trolls as they are but reduce their stack size from 12 to 6, 3 or 1.
1 troll with these stats would be fine but with unit size of 12 it's just overpowered, especially if you field more units than 1.

[Kahvipannu]

I think trolls are fine as they are now. No need to them run amok, in my opinion.

[el Cid]

Running amok won't be an option, as they will run amok as soon as they charge into a formation. Because they surround themselves.

Their stats are fine, they are meant to kill hundreds!

Like I have suggested dozens of times, make them cavalry, the only problem will be how the AI will use them, but it would solve a lot more. And maybe that is fixable!

[The Doge of Venice]

Isn't running amok based on there moral? and it seems to always activate with elephants when they are damaged a ton, i've seen them surrounded and not go, and btw A TROLL SURROUNDED BY MEN HITTING IT WITH WEAPONS WOULD GO CRAZY NOT BE CALM!!!

[The Doge of Venice]

Due to unit size options you can't have any units that have any less then 4 (I think) on huge because that number needs to be scaled back for large, medium and small setting or it would be unbalanced.