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    Moldova, at east-west crossroads, heads for polls

    CHISINAU (Reuters) - Moldovans electing a new parliament this week face a choice between the ruling Communists, and their calls to keep close links with Russia, and liberal opponents who want to move closer to the West.
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    Outgoing Communist President Vladimir Voronin, who wants to remain close to the levers of power after stepping down, has warned Moldovans that a vote against his party on Wednesday will place the ex-Soviet state in danger of extinction.

    Voronin dissolved parliament last month and called the election after opposition parties twice thwarted his plan to have parliament elect his handpicked successor as new president.

    Wedged between Ukraine and Romania, a European Union member with which it shares ethnic and linguistic links, Moldova depends economically on former imperial master Russia. Moscow also keeps troops in Moldova's separatist Transdniestria region.

    During a campaign punctuated by mudslinging, Voronin accused liberal opposition parties, broadly pro-Romanian in outlook, of hoping to see Moldova absorbed by its western neighbor.

    Most of today's Moldova was once part of Romania and about 800,000 Moldovans, responding to an offer from Bucharest, have either secured or applied for Romanian citizenship.

    Voronin, popular among elderly and rural voters, also accused Bucharest of fomenting the violent protests that erupted after the Communists came first in the last election in April.

    Crowds of mostly young people ransacked Voronin's office and parliament. Opposition parties distanced themselves from the violence, but said the vote was rigged.

    Hinting at Romania's role in April, Voronin said in an address published in newspapers: "The liberals and their true masters needed ... a nation exhausted by chaos and fear, ready to surrender its statehood and democracy."

    "Defend your Motherland!" read Communist billboards scattered across the capital Chisinau.

    Voronin, 68, initially linked himself with Russia, then turned to Romania for a time, but is friendlier again with the Kremlin. He cannot run for a third term but has stayed in the picture by securing election as parliament speaker.

    Russia backs Voronin and promised a $500 million loan to help Moldova, Europe's poorest country, weather the financial crisis.

    COMMUNIST DEFECTOR COULD HOLD THE KEY

    Ten parties are in the running and must clear a five percent threshold to win seats in the 101-member assembly.

    Voronin's Communists lead with more than 30 percent support in opinion polls against nearly 50 percent in April.
    Three opposition parties, more popular among urban voters, have combined support of 30 percent or higher.

    Veteran parliamentarian Mihai Ghimpu's far-right Liberal Party has more than 13 percent and advocates "fraternal" ties with Romania, membership of the EU and NATO and a pullout from the Moscow-dominated Commonwealth of Independent States.

    The right-of-center Liberal Democratic Party of Vlad Filat has over 7 percent, down from more than 12 percent in April.

    The centrist Democratic Party has leapt from 4 to 10 percent, largely because of new leader Marian Lupu who defected from the Communists after expressing disenchantment with Voronin. Analysts say the charismatic intellectual could join forces with the Communists later, if Voronin left politics.

    Some say Lupu, campaigning on the slogan "We must end the political war," could act as a broker able to end a left-right deadlock in parliament and could even become president.


    The main parties, with chances of winning seats in Parliament are:
    Source: http://www.e-democracy.md/en/electio...mentary/20092/

    Ruling party
    The Party of Communists of the Republic of Moldova – pres. Vladimir Voronin
    Slogan: “Let’s defend our Motherland”
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    - doubling the state budget
    - managing the state in order to became an efficient investor, manger and partner
    - six fold increase of FDI
    - modernization of infrastructure (with the help of EU funds)
    - better healthcare and education system
    - increase of the average wage to more than EUR 500
    - demilitarization
    - resolution of the Transnistrian problem on the principle of preservation of Moldavian territorial integrity
    - free access of Moldavian citizens and goods on EU area
    - better integration into CIS


    Main Opposition parties
    Liberal Party – pres. Dorin Chirtoacă
    Slogan: “For you liberty”
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    - improved transparency of state’s economic policies
    - increase of FDI volume through more viable economic policies
    - subventions for agriculture
    - VAT reductions for the import of modern equipment in agriculture
    - Improved lending system for youths
    - Subventions for youths
    - Fiscal facilities for youths in rural areas that start a business
    - better healthcare and education system (10% of GDP for education)
    - increase of wages and pensions
    - partnership with Ukraine for finding a solution for Transnistria and elimination of the Russian army presence from Moldavian territory
    - free and fair election in Transintria
    - membership in EU is a priority
    - renunciation at CIS membership


    Liberal Democratic Party of Moldova - Vlad Filat
    Slogan: “Together for Moldova”
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    - more efficient and friendlier business environment
    - limited state intervention in economy
    - facilities for youths that start a business
    - Subventions for youths
    - support of SMEs
    - Reduction of VAT to 18% (currently 22%)
    - subventions for agriculture
    - investment in infrastructure
    - better healthcare and education system (8% of GDP for education)
    - increase of wages and pensions
    - elimination of the Russian army presence from Moldavian territory
    - UN and EU involvement in the problem of Transnistria
    - Integration of Transnistrian inhabitants in the Moldavian society
    - EU Membership and improving relations with EU member states
    - Abolition of visas for EU
    - No mention about CIS


    Party Alliance Our Moldova - Serafim Urechean
    Slogan: Let’s save our Motherland from Communists
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    - twofold increase of GDP
    - increase of FDI volume by USD 1.2-1.6 billion each year
    - subventions of 1 billion lei in agriculture each year
    - facilities for youths that start a business
    - VAT reductions for the import of modern equipment in agriculture
    - Investments in infrastructure
    - Subventions for youths
    - Reform of health and education systems
    - Wages of over EUR 500 by 2013
    - Preservation of the territorial integrity of Moldavia and reintegration of Transnistria into Moldavia
    - EU membership is national idea
    - Active participation at the Eastern Partnership
    - No mention about CIS


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    Democratic Party of Moldova – Marian Lupu
    Slogan: “The politic war has to be stopped”
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    - economic modernization
    - export orientated economy
    - increase of FDI volume, especially in agriculture
    - Fiscal facilities for SMEs
    - Reform of the educational system (8% of GDP)
    - better healthcare and education system
    - reform of the pensions systems
    - collaboration with Russian Federation and Ukraine for finding a solution of the Transnistrean problem
    - military neutrality
    - EU membership has the highest priority
    - Abolition of visas for EU
    - Deeper involvement of Moldavia in Eastern Partnership
    - No mention about CIS




    So, which of these parties (and political alliances) represent the best option for Moldavia and its people? Where the future of Moldavia lies, to the East (with the Communists Party) or to the West (with the opposition parties)?

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    Communists to the east? How far east, China?

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    If the communists win, Moldavia should be annexed by the Ukranian Fatherland, if the other parties win, it should be annexed by Romania.
    Last edited by Aldgarkalaughskel; July 28, 2009 at 05:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowerWizard View Post
    If the communists win, Moldavia should be annexed by the Ukranian Fatherland, if the other parties win, it should be annexed by Romania.
    For the inhabitants of Moldavia this election means choosing between a possible membership in EU as a democratic sovereign state, or the alternative of maintaining its status quo, as a state maintained in a area of geopolitic purgatory, a grey area where the Moldavian society is torn between the two giants of the continent – EU and Russia. The election, despite the allegations and propaganda of the Communist party, has NO effect upon the sovereignty status of Moldavia, instead is about the future of democracy in Moldavia. Just like every undemocratic regime in the world, the current Moldavian regime uses real, but mostly imaginary external dangers to distract attention for the wrongdoings of the regime.

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    I hope the opposition wins. I think that would be the best for Moldavia. and a Russian withdrawal from the occupied areas in the East.

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    I can't wait for the Russian invasion when/if the opposition wins

    (yes I am joking...well...hopefully)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Borat View Post
    I can't wait for the Russian invasion when/if the opposition wins

    (yes I am joking...well...hopefully)
    Me neither

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    Quote Originally Posted by mircea View Post
    For the inhabitants of Moldavia this election means choosing between a possible membership in EU as a democratic sovereign state, or the alternative of maintaining its status quo, as a state maintained in a area of geopolitic purgatory, a grey area where the Moldavian society is torn between the two giants of the continent – EU and Russia. The election, despite the allegations and propaganda of the Communist party, has NO effect upon the sovereignty status of Moldavia, instead is about the future of democracy in Moldavia. Just like every undemocratic regime in the world, the current Moldavian regime uses real, but mostly imaginary external dangers to distract attention for the wrongdoings of the regime.
    Pretty much every government does that.
    Hopfully Moldavia will not have the stagnation brought about by their revolution, hopefully it does not follow Ukraine's example.
    Last edited by YuriVII; August 02, 2009 at 12:33 AM.

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    Oposition, we need moar poor people to exploit.
    And why would the EU give money to a Moldovian dictatorship?!
    Miss me yet?

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    They wouldn't. Not unless Moldavia is absorbed into Romania.

    Question: can EU members veto these kinds of actions involving another member?

    That is, set a condition that if Romania incorporates poor Moldavian territories, it would have to relinquish EU membership..

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    Breaking news: Moldova Communists Outscored In Landmark Vote
    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/...-election.html
    http://www.rferl.org/archive/moldova...2331/2331.html




    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    I hope the opposition wins. I think that would be the best for Moldavia. and a Russian withdrawal from the occupied areas in the East.
    Yeap, that's not gone a happen to soon. The economic crisis and its effects upon the foreign policy upon EU countries and US, and probably the pre-electoral machinations of Voronin machinations of Voronin have already worsen the situation. Just recently, Moldavia received an USD 500 million electoral gift from Putin and another USD 1 billion from China. We don’t know all the details of the transactions, but it is to be expected that the conditions for the loans are pretty tight and demanding. Hopefuly, in a couple of years, the Russian peacekeepers (Igor Smirnov's bodyguards) will be replaced by a UN or EU mission.

    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    They wouldn't. Not unless Moldavia is absorbed into Romania.

    Question: can EU members veto these kinds of actions involving another member?

    That is, set a condition that if Romania incorporates poor Moldavian territories, it would have to relinquish EU membership..
    An union between Romania and Moldavia is not just highly unlikely (at least on short and probably mid term) and is almost impossible outside EU. Even more, unlike the case of Chechnya, Romania has neither the will nor the diplomatic power to force another country into submission.
    On the other hand, an eventual unification of the two countries would be largely highly beneficial for the inhabitants of Moldavia Republic, while overall, the costs for Romania would be quite tremendous.


    Quote Originally Posted by IPA35 View Post
    Oposition, we need moar poor people to exploit.
    And why would the EU give money to a Moldovian dictatorship?!
    “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” This sums up the history of so many nations. Moldavia unfortunately is one of these, merely a pawn for some “highly interested” states, especially a certain “slavemaster” state.
    This is the problem, EU money are conditioned by improvements of human rights record, the Russian and Chinese have no such “evil” requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mircea View Post
    On the other hand, an eventual unification of the two countries would be largely highly beneficial for the inhabitants of Moldavia Republic, while overall, the costs for Romania would be quite tremendous.

    The costs for Romania would be compensated by the large influx of beautifull Moldavian girls invading our cities and towns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mircea View Post
    An union between Romania and Moldavia is not just highly unlikely (at least on short and probably mid term) and is almost impossible outside EU. Even more, unlike the case of Chechnya, Romania has neither the will nor the diplomatic power to force another country into submission.
    On the other hand, an eventual unification of the two countries would be largely highly beneficial for the inhabitants of Moldavia Republic, while overall, the costs for Romania would be quite tremendous.
    You missed my question slightly. I mean in the hypothetical event that Romania and Moldavia decide to unite, can the rest of the EU forbid it?

    Does the EU have that authority?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivan_the_terrible View Post
    You missed my question slightly. I mean in the hypothetical event that Romania and Moldavia decide to unite, can the rest of the EU forbid it?

    Does the EU have that authority?
    I can answer that, EU has no authority on that, only it can make recomandations. EU states are still sovereign, not subjected to a federal governement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC View Post
    I can answer that, EU has no authority on that, only it can make recomandations. EU states are still sovereign, not subjected to a federal governement.
    Ah, I see. Thank you for asnwering.


    Maybe it's something for the EU to consider implementing though. Otherwise it could start having poor, unwanted regions being added without members' approval...

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    As long as EU funds it, communist party is okay, but I'd rather see there someone else, but not Voronin.

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    They should vote a Hetman again, nothing is more discraceful then selling your women to Istanbul brothels.

    Srsly, its just a depressing country these days.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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