Obama of 2004 scrutinized Bush for rushing bills

[Downey]

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gla...ut-allowing-ti


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is rather an interesting view on politics before it is partisanship imo.

[s.rwitt]

This guy is worse than just being another politician. He's dumber than the average politician.

[Centurion-Lucius-Vorenus]

Maybe because it was a different bill for a different situation and time period guys ? No ? You just hate Obama and everything he does ? Ok, got ya.

[s.rwitt]

Maybe because it was a different bill for a different situation and time period guys ? No ? You just hate Obama and everything he does ? Ok, got ya.

Yeah that must be it

Or it could be that Obama specifically criticized Bush for trying to push a bill through before anyone could read it and then ( ) tried to do the same thing with healthcare reform, which he himself admitted he hadn't read, and his "stimulus bill", which he promised wouldn't include a single earmark or pet project ( ).

But you just love Obama and everything he does? Ok, got ya.

[nopasties]

Obama made a real criticism about how legislation is put through congress.
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Obama has done nothing to change how business is done.
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=Obama is just like other politicians.

[justicar5]

Yeah that must be it

Or it could be that Obama specifically criticized Bush for trying to push a bill through before anyone could read it and then ( ) tried to do the same thing with healthcare reform, which he himself admitted he hadn't read, and his "stimulus bill", which he promised wouldn't include a single earmark or pet project ( ).

But you just love Obama and everything he does? Ok, got ya.

you mean before the blue dogs, who (this has to be a coincidence surely?) have recieved 1.2 million dollars from the health insurance industry could filibuster the bill in to the ground? You mean before the republicans (bought and paid for a bargian price) could destroy any bill that was actually good for the american people?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...030701748.html

because of course they are going to put the interests of te people before the interests of their pay masters right? Right?

The problem is that when ever our government tries that sort of thing they tend to choose the worst elements of both side. I would love to see a compromise that was well thought out.

Public option IS the compromise.

[MaximiIian]

Well, of course he's want to rush a bill that he supports. He's a politician. Now that he's in power, his opinions and positions on certain things are liable to shift. What do you expect? He's only human.

[Downey]

simple math always works best

[s.rwitt]

Obama made a real criticism about how legislation is put through congress.
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Obama has done nothing to change how business is done.
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=Obama is just like other politicians.

But with less experience. And less common sense.

[Phier]

The last couple of weeks have been quite lovely. The CBO again said that Obama care will save absolutely no money, Obama made a stupid crack about a white cop which was obviously race based, and got called on it, more and more stories of wasted stimulus money are forthcoming, and his popularity dipped into the negative. Sometimes though you don't expect a special gift like this.

I decided to see if its spreading, and it up on drudge so this stain on the lapel can't be ignored.

[Downey]

How was Bush treated in office?

[Emperor Tom]

For A guy who promised for all this change, I dont see much. What worse is his approval ratings. Man the Presidential candidates get worse every election...I mean John Kerry was bad enough, Al Gore should a won the first time around and we'd have all been better off...

[s.rwitt]

Al Gore should a won the first time around and we'd have all been better off...

Good one.

[Admiral Piett]

I'm actually inclined to agree with him on that, s.rwitt. Gore at least had superior intelligence to Bush. We probably wouldn't have half the issues we have today. Of course we'd still have the recession and we'd have already had proven that the Democrat approach to recession aren't the right way, and in 08 we would have a conservative in office. You see? Think long term!

[Phier]

I'm actually inclined to agree with him on that, s.rwitt. Gore at least had superior intelligence to Bush. We probably wouldn't have half the issues we have today. Of course we'd still have the recession and we'd have already had proven that the Democrat approach to recession aren't the right way, and in 08 we would have a conservative in office. You see? Think long term!

I can't say I agree with that statement.

I do agree that had he won in 2000 we would have a conservative in office now, but thats hindsight for ya.

you mean before the blue dogs, who (this has to be a coincidence surely?) have recieved 1.2 million dollars from the health insurance industry could filibuster the bill in to the ground? You mean before the republicans (bought and paid for a bargian price) could destroy any bill that was actually good for the american people?

Yes obviously it was a minor campaign contribution which bribed multiple members of the majority party to defeat this glorious bill for the people in a nefarious capitalist scheme!



Oh wait no thats completely wrong. Instead we have a group of elected officials DOING THEIR JOB, and instead of just voting on party lines, are willing to face the wrath of the majority of their party, and call a rushed and ill conceived bill exactly what it is. Rushed and ill conceived.

[Phier]

delete

[justicar5]

I can't say I agree with that statement.

I do agree that had he won in 2000 we would have a conservative in office now, but thats hindsight for ya.




Yes obviously it was a minor campaign contribution which bribed multiple members of the majority party to defeat this glorious bill for the people in a nefarious capitalist scheme!



Oh wait no thats completely wrong. Instead we have a group of elected officials DOING THEIR JOB, and instead of just voting on party lines, are willing to face the wrath of the majority of their party, and call a rushed and ill conceived bill exactly what it is. Rushed and ill conceived.

minor? 1.2 million in 4 months is minor? Also look at what the public option is, insurance that you pay for, one that wont look for reasons to exclude you for filling in a form incorrectly 20 years before, the second you actually need them. So it's another option. If the market is so great at delivering quality care, without looking for an escape, then they will continue to thrive, if the public option is so bad, no one will take it.

In by opinion btw it is a bad bill, it goes no where near far enough.

and now some sources: http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/053109Zeese.shtml

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...lewin-gro.html

and interestingly at the end of the second article, the open secrets the is this statement:

Lewin has declined to take a public stance on the legislation currently up for debate in both chambers. The firm's vice president, John Sheils, told the Post that if a public option is implemented, "People would indeed lose [the private plans] they have, but they might very well be better off."

and here is the complete list of Blue Dog democrats with a break down of what they all recieved and when:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009...by-insure.html

[Barry Goldwater]

Obama is just another politician...I've been repeating that around here

[Pious Agnost]

Who would that Conservative be?

[Admiral Piett]

Who would that Conservative be?

Doesn't matter who. It would likely be completely different circumstances. It's hypothetical anyway.