Hard times for gays in Poland and Lithuania. In Sweden its "quite" the opposite.

[Norpheus]

In Lithuania and Poland they clearly dont dance gaypipe...
The Swedish goverment however has a chance to "To change that now when we have the Precidency"

Today the Pride Festival began in Stockholm. At the same time, a new studie show that Sweden ports at the top in the EU concerning the legal rights of LGBT people. It looks worse in Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean countries.

Monika Grzywnowicz and Augustus Cicelis is both gay and come from Poland and Lithuania - two of Europe's most gay hostile countries. In Lithuania auction Parliament recently passed a law prohibiting people to talk positively about homosexuality.

-Lithuania continues to believe that homo-and bisexuality is something negative, something that can infect, and it is a sign of very bad law, we have now, "said Augustus Cicelis.

A survey by the umbrella organization ILGA shows that Sweden is the best in Europe in terms of legal rights for LGBT people. These include the right to same-sex marriage and adoptions, but also laws against discrimination of LGBT people. Sweden followed closely by Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and United Kingdom. It looks worse in the Mediterranean countries and in Eastern Europe.

-The biggest reason why it looks like it is our religion. Many people see themselves as religious and church is very influential in politics and our society. So it is really difficult to work against it, or, to change attitudes, "says Monika Grzywnowicz.

In October, Sweden will hold a summit in which discrimination and LGBT issues will be discussed. It is hoped that a new European anti-discrimination law should be in place during the Swedish Presidency of the EU. There is really no country in the EU so far has opposed the directive.

-Also there is a little ambiguous what you are looking for when trying to legislate against the purpose of informing about homosexuality while working on a directive at EU level to protect all individuals against discrimination. But we will move up and we have an opportunity, we might also decisions on the Directive under our presidency, "says Integration and Gender Equality minister Nyamko Sabuni in Sweden.

From the Swedish main channel SVT. Link

[Phier]

I'm curious about one thing.

When did transexuals worm their way into the whole 'lesbian/gay' coalition?

[Da Skinna]

I'm curious about one thing.

When did transexuals worm their way into the whole 'lesbian/gay' coalition?

They had a vote on it, I think. A really gay vote.

[Hippolord]

I'm curious about one thing.

When did transexuals worm their way into the whole 'lesbian/gay' coalition?

Cause thats just Weird...

[Justinian]

Stay on topic guys.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

In Lithuania auction Parliament recently passed a law prohibiting people to talk positively about homosexuality

Lithuania, seriously?

[Adhamh Ashashi]

Wow Lithunia must have gotten a sudden influx of Muslim clergy...... oh wait.


Unusual, usually Muslims can only be this barbaric.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Does this mean gays in lithuania must insult each other or be arrested.

[Stavroforos]

Do you want Eurocrats telling you that gays have rights?! No! End the oppressive Waffle-regime and their undemocratic crusade for equal homosexual rights!

[Pious Agnost]

Do you want Eurocrats telling you that gays have rights?! No! End the oppressive Waffle-regime and their undemocratic crusade for equal homosexual rights!

Good for Poland and Lithuania.

Agreed.

Wow...

After two hours I honestly can't think of something to say

[Tony83]

Wow...

After two hours I honestly can't think of something to say

I would rather hope that the posters of those comments did so with their tongues lodged firmly in their cheeks, as those comments are so risible that they don't warrant serious consideration or discussion, unless they are expanded upon.

Maybe they would like to confirm, here, that they were joking, or at least explain themseves.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

Good for Poland and Lithuania.

[Time Commander Bob]

Good for Poland and Lithuania.

How is discrimination on grounds of sexual preference good? I do hope sarcasm was intended.

Do you want Eurocrats telling you that gays have rights?! No! End the oppressive Waffle-regime and their undemocratic crusade for equal homosexual rights!

If a European country democratically or not decided to discriminate against ethnic minorities, few would have any objection to other neighbouring countries looking down upon them for doing so and urging them to change their ways. Why should it be any different for discrimination on grounds of sexuality?

[The Good]

Good for Poland and Lithuania.

Agreed.

[Burnum]

While I don't particularly condone Homosexaulity, I don't want too discriminate against Homosexuals. Homosexuality is like a disability, you can't cure down syndrome and you can't cure Gays.

[NONOPUST]

While I don't particularly condone Homosexaulity, I don't want too discriminate against Homosexuals. Homosexuality is like a disability, you can't cure down syndrome and you can't cure Gays.

Yes, because being a homosexual is like a disease. It ruins their chance of having a normal happy life

[Tony83]

While I don't particularly condone Homosexaulity, I don't want too discriminate against Homosexuals. Homosexuality is like a disability, you can't cure down syndrome and you can't cure Gays.

It is perfectly fine if you choose not to indulge in a homosexual lifestyle, if that is the way your brain is wired - so be it. However, while there is no "cure" for homosexuality it can hardly be described as a disease, it's just an alternative lifestyle and, usually, only in one area at that. Apart from who we love and want to spend our lives with, there's no real difference between us.

Yes, because being a homosexual is like a disease. It ruins their chance of having a normal happy life

The only thing stopping gay people from having a normal happy life are the bigots who go around telling us that we are wrong and, therefore, must be sick.

[NONOPUST]

The only thing stopping gay people from having a normal happy life are the bigots who go around telling us that we are wrong and, therefore, must be sick.

[Phier]

It is perfectly fine if you choose not to indulge in a homosexual lifestyle, if that is the way your brain is wired - so be it. However, while there is no "cure" for homosexuality it can hardly be described as a disease, it's just an alternative lifestyle and, usually, only in one area at that. Apart from who we love and want to spend our lives with, there's no real difference between us.

While I think comparing it to something like downs syndrome is a bit much, genetically I have a hard time not classifying it as a disease.

Now perhaps this isn't the right forum, well no its obviously not the right forum, but this is a much more interesting topic for debate.

If a man had a genetic condition which greatly lowered his sperm fertility, it would be assigned the name of whatever doctor/pathologist discovered and described it and called a disease. Homosexuality does the same thing by a different mechanism. Being reproduction is pretty much the 'it' for an organism, I can't see how it shouldn't be considered a disease, even if it sounds distasteful to those involved.

I realize much of it is dealing with the ignorance factor, and calling it a disease can fuel that, but calling it a lifestyle does even worse I think. Lifestyles you can change, lifestyles come and go, lifestyles are what you do not what you ARE.

[Yosemite]

Yes, because being a homosexual is like a disease. It ruins their chance of having a normal happy life

they can't produce babies