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    Default The Empire Strikes Back – Britain Smashes the Taliban in Helmand

    Well despite all the gloom and doom over the last couple of weeks over the 20 soldiers that have been killed in the last month of fighting it appears the press have forgot that we were in fact engaged in an actual battle to smash the stronghold the Taliban had in the area.

    It now looks like Britain with help from a contingent of men from Afghan national army and a horde of Danish Vikings have retaken an area in Helmand that has been terrorised by the Taliban. Read on.


    Gordon Brown has signalled the end of the bloody offensive to drive back the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    The Prime Minister insisted that Operation Panther's Claw had not been "in vain", despite the deaths of 20 British troops over the past month.

    "The efforts of our troops in Helmand have been nothing short of heroic," Mr Brown told the Evening Standard.

    "There has been a tragic human cost. But this has not been in vain." Mr Brown said it was now time to "commemorate" the British troops who have died in Afghanistan.
    During a constituency visit in Fife, the Prime Minister said it has been "one of the most difficult summers" since troops went into Afghanistan.

    He said: "Now that Operation Panther's Claw has shown that it can bring success and the first phase of that operation is over, it's time to commemorate all those soldiers who have given their lives and to thank all our British forces for the determination and professionalism and courage that they've shown.
    "What we have actually done is make land secure for about 100,000 people. What we've done is push back the Taliban - and what we've done also is to start to break that chain of terror that links the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan to the streets of Britain.

    "And I'm very proud of what our forces have achieved over the last few weeks - indeed for all the time they've been in Afghanistan."

    The first stage of the operation in the troubled southern province drew to a close as senior ministers urged the stepping up of efforts to engage moderate Taliban elements.
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    I firmly believe this hard fought victory will go virtually under reported by the British Press who are more interested in pedalling scaremongering stories about swine flu and reporting on funerals of dead soldiers. Our press at times seems to forget that Britain lost 60,000 men in the opening day at the battle of the Somme so losing 8 men in one day although tragic isn't that big a deal well put into the context of history.

    Well done to the British Army and her allies, they have shown the way In Afghanistan it just a shame the rest of Europe refuses to commit more troops to the front lines.

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    Great new, and thanks for pointing it out. As you said, I haven't seen anything about this until now.
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    Excellent, I can see the headlines now-

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    Well done troops as a taxpayer and a Brit I feel as if I have some investment; emotional and fiscal.
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    All I see is "Mission accomplised"

    Where are the hard, raw facts? what land conquered? How is the growth of civilian death? Polls show civilian sideing with the "Empire" and its vikings allies?

    Not to sound hard, but I don't give a crap about a-banner-on-a-aircraft-carrier
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    All I see is "Mission accomplised"

    Where are the hard, raw facts? what land conquered? How is the growth of civilian death? Polls show civilian sideing with the "Empire" and its vikings allies?

    Not to sound hard, but I don't give a crap about a-banner-on-a-aircraft-carrier
    Im I the only stupid fellow here, what specific line did they cross?
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    Im I the only stupid fellow here, what specific line did they cross?
    Ummm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Ummm...

    Counterinsurgency Warfare isn't about territory.
    Maybe that's the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    All I see is "Mission accomplised"

    Where are the hard, raw facts? what land conquered? How is the growth of civilian death? Polls show civilian sideing with the "Empire" and its vikings allies?

    I'm not sure what your asking here but concerning civilian casualties the operation was very successful (considering it was a military operation and the Ministry of Defense has confirmed a total of 3 civilian casualties. Now factor in some politically propaganda into that and add 0 making it 30 that's still pretty darn good.

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    Comparing the high tec scenario of 2009 with the Somme..well...

    Would have been interesting to see how the British public would have reacted if the media of that time would have been as independent as the one of today and had shown some tens of thousands of Brit coffins.
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    i got scared there for a minute when I read the ''Empire strikes back'' I thought the British army had been completely slaughtered in a trap in the mountains as they tried to retreat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    i got scared there for a minute when I read the ''Empire strikes back'' I thought the British army had been completely slaughtered in a trap in the mountains as they tried to retreat.
    Or Osama Bin Laden had been trapped in frozen carbonite by British soldiers for Gordo the Hutt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    Or Osama Bin Laden had been trapped in frozen carbonite by British soldiers for Gordo the Hutt.

    Gordo no wanga.

    ok that was funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    i got scared there for a minute when I read the ''Empire strikes back'' I thought the British army had been completely slaughtered in a trap in the mountains as they tried to retreat.
    Why?

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    And for the matter ISAF consist of faaaar more nations then danish, norway got allmost as many troops as them
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille View Post
    And for the matter ISAF consist of faaaar more nations then danish, norway got allmost as many troops as them


    Difference being the Danish are actually getting stuck in there in the south, while the Norwegians are sitting in their bases up North where not much happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    I firmly believe this hard fought victory will go virtually under reported by the British Press who are more interested in pedalling scaremongering stories about swine flu and reporting on funerals of dead soldiers. Our press at times seems to forget that Britain lost 60,000 men in the opening day at the battle of the Somme so losing 8 men in one day although tragic isn't that big a deal well put into the context of history.

    Well done to the British Army and her allies, they have shown the way In Afghanistan it just a shame the rest of Europe refuses to commit more troops to the front lines.
    I say good show, old chaps. I for one would like to see more nations around the globe commit to fighting fanatical extremests. I would ask a retorical question, what do you think of Pres. Obama's comment "...the goal in Afganastan isn't victory..." If it isn't victory then what is it? What does it say to our armed forces in the region?
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    Excellent news. Now to storm the Taliban's Hoth

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Red
    I say good show, old chaps. I for one would like to see more nations around the globe commit to fighting fanatical extremests. I would ask a retorical question, what do you think of Pres. Obama's comment "...the goal in Afganastan isn't victory..." If it isn't victory then what is it? What does it say to our armed forces in the region?
    To secure the Afghan Republic's future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Borat View Post
    Excellent news. Now to storm the Taliban's Hoth



    To secure the Afghan Republic's future.
    Could that not mean victory? Does victory have to mean American occupation? I was just making an observation on the comment and how it may affect our troops morale, and the morale of our allies.
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    Good job to the Tommies, Vikings (from Danemark), Estonians and Afghans.
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