Is this normal?

[zorro59]

Yestarday I started the gondor campaingn....
Everything went ok I captured a few settlements, until I got to Minas morgul...
My army had 3 spearmen units, 1 militia, 1 pelargir marines, 3 gondor militia (archers), 5 gondor archers...
I also have 3 generals, the best one has 7 stars...
I have a spy that opens the gate, there are 2 units of mordor pikemen in front, but i fiind it very hard to destroy them....I cant support with archers, because of high walls, so the units get wiped out...how is this possible??? Is it because of the mordor general that has 10 command points???
Anyway, second go...
Now I only send 3 units of spearmen, and I easily breack the defence...
However, my spearmen got exausten in the fight...
I decided to retreat my army so it can rest...
I waited 15 mins (aprox) with 6x...
Nothing happened...
The troops warmed up got fresh, but the exausted ones no....
If i saw it aient working i decided to launch another attack with my spearmen.,...
210 heavy infastry was waiting for me...
They wiped out 420 spearmen.........
Is this possible???????
After that i had no other chance and threw all i got in the defences, and i got wiped out really fast..........
Dont you think it is a little strange???

[Emphraim]

Pikemen are always insanely tough. As you said you couldn't get archer help so you were frankly, screwed. If possible, you should have waited for them to sally out. As for why the exhausted guys didn't get rested, I think if troops are at exhausted they never restore their fatigue levels to normal in a battle.

[Soul Firez]

yeah pretty sure your right there exaushted and there pretty much done for the battle( i could be wrong ) personally i try if possible to rest when they hit tired from tired it doesnt take to long to get back to warmed up or even fresh to go back and fight full force (not always possible )

And yeah pike men are pretty tough to beat in a frontal lock archers or flanking rear attacking them is your only bet going head to head your going to get cleaned up so yeah if they are holding a gate hope you have another entance or alot of men to waste trying to break pike men

[Soul Firez]

Uruk halberders pretty much the same thing same spear wall etc

[axnsan]

Does Mordor have pikemen?

[Dea Paladin]

Does Mordor have pikemen?

They got halberdiers

[Santeri]

Pikemen are far more better, especially when defending at gate...

edit: @zorro: Also you could send your marines or archers and shoot those guys. They don't have shield so it shouldn't be problem. Although you still lose some of your units when towers shoot your troops, but they lose far more quicker.

[Bela]

Pikemen are far more better, especially when defending at gate...

edit: @zorro: Also you could send your marines or archers and shoot those guys. They don't have shield so it shouldn't be problem. Although you still lose some of your units when towers shoot your troops, but they lose far more quicker.

Usually I shoot the units behind gates with only one archer unit. I stand with them in front of the gate (of course trying to keep distance for arrow towers/ or move a worthless unit next to the archers so they should be shot) and making the first line only as wide as the gate is. This occurs that the first line can shoot directly (in a straight row) to them, instead of shooting over the wall, which causes a huge loss in effectiveness. This usually worth the loss of time as pike units do not have shield and stand very close to each other, so 5-8 arrows can kill around 4 persons at each shoot (and can reduce morale also).

[Santeri]

To kisbelaim: Yeah, that was what i was saying And when he have 8 unit of archer and 1 javelin he could almost kill them all.

[old_dude]

Don't forget. Your spy didn't just open the front gate, he opened them all. So if you can divide and conquer
Divert their pikes with some militia and get the rest of your troops in the back door. go for their general. and take advantage of the slowness of the pikes and make them move. Then pin them in on three sides at an intersection.

[jản]

first of all it is right - you should never only attack the enemy at one place of the map.
especially not in a siege battle - and especially if your spy has already opened the gates.
all gates! in that case i usually use half of my army to fight the front gate and the other
half is spread around the settlement (even if the gates aren't open i use rams on every
gate. especially archers are good to conquer walls and fire in the enemys back at the
front gate than.)
another thing you can do with that: use one cavalry unit and let them ride through a side
gate to get to thwe piaza. than the counter starts and the enemys pulls back his troops
to conquer the settlement back (but not all of the units that are already fighting)

with the resting you should notice that once exhausted units can not restore their full
stamina. only if the status is maximal yellow it can restore some of its stamina by resting
in a loose formation. and always notice - units with stamina bonus can restore stamina
faster than other units. at least this is something that i think.

[zorro59]

@kisbelaim
You are so right, i can use ladders to get my archers up, because ai doesnt uses walls that much and, if attack them with militia, if they manage to get on walls I will send cav in the plaza ( hope that it isnt defended by spearmen)...
@Santeri:
Archers are innefective at the wall because they have to fire at a high arc...
If the army is really close to the gate it is almost impossible to take them out....
Btw, cav doesnt looks too weak???

[Santeri]

No, if gate is open you can shoot truth it

[Lordinquisitor]

Solution a, use the side gates.

Solution b, wait one turn and build ladders, climb over the walls and get behind them.

Solution c, Shoot them to death.

Solution d, wait till they have to come out.

Solution e, attack an nearby other enemie stack so that they will come out as reinforcements.

[P|A|ntZ]

attack an nearby other enemie stack so that they will come out as reinforcements.

Incidentally, that can be a good little tactic for avoiding the garrison script kicking in, if you fight a settlement's forces as reinforcements.

[Lordinquisitor]

Incidentally, that can be a good little tactic for avoiding the garrison script kicking in, if you fight a settlement's forces as reinforcements.

Honest guys like me don`t use this tactic ofc.

[Blackorc]

Uruk halberds/pikemen they are insanely good even dol Amroth warriors will have a tough time to kill them use archers because they can't run.