Us now condemns Zelaya for trying to return to Honduras

[BlackPirate]

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...BrandChannel=0
For those who thought that US decided to change their policy in Latin America, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized Zelaya as "reckless" when he took a few steps onto Honduran soil on Friday in a symbolic gesture in front of international media.In other words US government just symbolicly condemned the coup, but now is denying the right of mr Zelaya to return home to reclaim the presidency.This means that in a month or two they will recognize the new government in Honduras and this incident will be forgotten(just an anomaly and an annoying gye who we got ridden from).Yeap nothing has changed in fact. Latin America is the best place for someone to realise that all these things US says about democracy in Iraq etc are said only for propaganda reasons

[Phier]

http://www.reuters.com/article/world...BrandChannel=0
For those who thought that US decided to change their policy in Latin America, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized Zelaya as "reckless" when he took a few steps onto Honduran soil on Friday in a symbolic gesture in front of international media.In other words US government just symbolicly condemned the coup, but now is denying the right of mr Zelaya to return home to reclaim the presidency.This means that in a month or two they will recognize the new government in Honduras and this incident will be forgotten(just an anomaly and an annoying gye who we got ridden from).Yeap nothing has changed in fact. Latin America is the best place for someone to realise that all these things US says about democracy in Iraq etc are said only for propaganda reasons

I'm sure if the guy were a right wing leader you would be applauding this action as a positive direction in US foreign policy.

The guy ran as a free-trade conservative, did a SURPRISE I'm a socialist move then set up a clearly unconstitutional referendum to remain in power.

The mistake was the military moved before impeachment happened.

[BlackPirate]

I'm sure if the guy were a right wing leader you would be applauding this action as a positive direction in US foreign policy.

The guy ran as a free-trade conservative, did a SURPRISE I'm a socialist move then set up a clearly unconstitutional referendum to remain in power.

The mistake was the military moved before impeachment happened.

If a leftish movement overthrowned a rightish-leader in central america we would have at least a US bombarment.This shows again how hypocretically US uses words like democracy, freedom etc

[danzig]

Um if he goes back without an agreement in place before hand all its going to do is cause a possible conflict, the US policy is balanced and rational here unlike the bombastic rhetoric of old Hugo. Do you want to see violence in the country? At the end of the day military of Honduras is probably guilty of violating their constitution but then so is Zelaya.

If a leftish movement overthrowned a rightish-leader in central america we would have at least a US bombarment.This shows again how hypocretically US uses words like democracy, freedom etc

Uh huh sounds to me like you just wanted something to complain about here. The fact Chavez is still in power pretty much destroyed your argument here that is so 80s, Cold War style.

[BlackPirate]

Um if he goes back without an agreement in place before hand all its going to do is cause a possible conflict, the US policy is balanced and rational here unlike the bombastic rhetoric of old Hugo. Do you want to see violence in the country? At the end of the day military of Honduras is probably guilty of violating their constitution but then so is Zelaya.



Uh huh sounds to me like you just wanted something to complain about here. The fact Chavez is still in power pretty much destroyed your argument here that is so 80s, Cold War style.

Chavez was elected and didnt took the power by coup(like Zelayas opponents did).US couldnt do anything with an elected leader.But in 2002 there was a coup against him and US briefly recognised the plotters regime.And if i want to see violence in the country?No i dont in contrary with the US who preaches for democracy in Iraq regardless the fact that some hundreds of thousands people lost their lives during those preachings

[danzig]

Chavez was elected and didnt took the power by coup(like Zelayas opponents did).US couldnt do anything about it.But in 2002 there was a coup against him and US briefly recognised the plotters regime

True Chavez FAILED in his coup attempt and got prison before getting out and winning election and then systematically install himself as a dictator and yes Bush admin did do that and then backtracked but none of this has anything to do with the fact that US response here is measured and rational. Ill say again without any agreement or assurances of Zelaya's safety would you prefer him to enter the country and spark violence? As long as there is room to talk then talking should continue. Or are you suggesting the US should bomb Honduras?

[BlackPirate]

True Chavez FAILED in his coup attempt and got prison before getting out and winning election and then systematically install himself as a dictator and yes Bush admin did do that and then backtracked but none of this has anything to do with the fact that US response here is measured and rational. Ill say again without any agreement or assurances of Zelaya's safety would you prefer him to enter the country and spark violence? As long as there is room to talk then talking should continue. Or are you suggesting the US should bomb Honduras?

None of these options are good.However here we have a country with a relatively strong democratic past, that is now endangered by these illegal actions against an elected president.Now Zelaya will be in exile calling his supporters for uprising against the government.This is an anomaly that will cause problems in the nation for some time.If the coup doesnt succed in its mission there is a fear of bloodshet.If it succeeds it is a message for the region that coups can succeed even today leading to other similar events to the future

[danzig]

None of these options are good.However here we have a country with a relatively strong democratic past, that is now endangered by these illegal actions against an elected president.Now Zelaya will be in exile calling his supporters for uprising against the government.This is an anomaly that will cause problems in the nation for some time.If the coup doesnt succed in its mission there is a fear of bloodshet.If it succeeds it is a message for the region that coups can succeed even today leading to other similar events to the future

No none of the options are good Ill agree with you but the least bloody one is either for an agreement for Zelaya's return or to call early elections in the country and see if it pans out. The alternatives pretty much assure violence vs it might be possible to avoid it. There is also the little fact that while has no baring does tell a story that the entire Honduras government backed Zelaya's removal and there really hasnt been widespread protests, there has been SOME however for his return. It would seem legal or not that Zelaya simply isnt wanted as leader of the country by both goverment or its people, in comparison look at the vocal Chavez supporters that turned out when his overthrow was attempted making the situation unmanageable for the plotters. Foreign policy needs to be based on balance of moral right and the reality of the situation, I'm not a fan of Obama but I think he has done that here.

Obama is smart enough to know he isnt going to allow the US to be used, one way or the other by the current goverment in the country or by Chavez and his cronies.

[Stavroforos]

All I'm seeing the US doing is saying that his acting symbolically in a risky manner is not good either for him or the Honduras.