descr_strat- Marriage Failure

[Ramashan]

I've been banging my head against the wall on this all morning and can't figure out why when I try to marry a named_character to a family members daughter, the game KTM's

I've been able to do this for other factions, it just does not want to work for the Egyptian faction.

Here is the code;

character    Ahmakiq Cannula, named character, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 40, , x 147, y 217
traits GoodCommander 1 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , PublicFaith 2 , MathematicsSkill 2 , Brain 3
ancillaries  
army
unit        maya general's bodyguard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0


;Character & Family Tree

character_record        Cimik,    female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 54, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Yohl_Iknal,    female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 37, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Itzel,    female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 32, alive, never_a_leader


relative    Kinich Cocom,    Cimik,    Yohl_Iknal,    Ekahau Cocom,    Yaxche Cocom,    end
relative    Ekahau Cocom,    Itzel,    end    
relative    Ahmakiq Cannula,    Yohl_Iknal,    end

If I ; out the last relative line, it loads fine, so the character names are OK. But, once I try to marry them it wont load.

What am I missing?

Thanks - Rah

[Aradan]

Tried reversing the order of the two last lines?

[Ramashan]

I've tried it without the second relative line and I just tried it reversing the last two relative lines, KTM.

Its really stumper at the moment.

[HouseOfHam]

Did you use tabs or spaces in the relative lines?

[Spartan 666]

I've had this problem some days ago, couldn't marry a general to a family member's daughter. When you quit the game, what error do you get?

I fixed that by reversing the order of the relative entries, but try adding her father's surname to the married woman.

[makanyane]

I had similar problem in M2 with trying to get it to take female as the person linking tree - that seemed to need the woman to use her fathers surname in all her entries - then it worked.... haven't tried in RTW but might work better like that ?

[Spartan 666]

It's very likely, I remember I had a lot of problems also with women without surname...

[Ramashan]

@ House of Ham: Yes, I've been using tabs. As I mentioned, I've gotten this to work in other factions, just not this one. I have also tried with and without tabs, still crashes.

@Spartan 666: I'm using the same note pad program I've been editing the game with for three years now without any problems. Unless there was an update I'm unaware of. And I have deleted, re-wrote, and changed around the order of relatives. Even tried with and without other siblings.

@Makanyane: I haven't tried with giving the woman a surname. Wasn't aware it would even take effect, I'll give that a shot and see if it works.

Thank you everyone for your suggestions. As I said, I'm stumped and any all suggestions are helpful. Just goes back to how tricky the RTW family tree was programed.

[Spartan 666]

Sorry, that question about your text editor was silly, it doesn't matter because I use both windows notepad and Notepad++ and never had conflicts.

But when you quit the game, do you get an error message?

[Ramashan]

No, its one of those dang frustrating family tree things. I just get a KTM without any errors. (Yeah, I use show_err )

Its like you just have to crash, quit, edit, load, crash, quit, edit, load, until you hunt the bug down. Just, with this one, my frustration is that its already worked once. Oh well, if these things didn't happen then what we would be the fun and challenge of modding right?

[HouseOfHam]

Have you perhaps made some changes in descr_names.txt?

[Ramashan]

Sure enough, I had to add the last name to the female character. Now I know. I think in the other family tree i did I only had one portion with last names, so this is why it did not effect that one.

So, if your going to be making a female character from a family with a last name marry another character with a last name, you need to add the last name to the female, only in the relatives line.

character_record        Yohl_Iknal,    female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 37, alive, never_a_leader
character_record        Itzel,    female, command 0, influence 0, management 0, subterfuge 0, age 32, alive, never_a_leader


relative    Kinich Cocom,    Cimik,    Yohl_Iknal,    Ekahau Cocom,    Yaxche Cocom,    end
relative    Ekahau Cocom,    Itzel,    end    
relative    Ahmakiq Cannula,    Yohl_Iknal Cocom,    end

[Spartan 666]

Did it work? Glad you solved it!

[Ramashan]

Yup, thanks for the suggestions and support guys.

Now if I can just solve the other errorless CTD whose cause is still a major mystery, I'll be a very very happy modder. Probably has something to do with the AOR I've designed and the EDB. Anyway. A frustration for another day.

I think the female family name thing should be added to the descr_strat or family member tutorial if its not already there.

[makanyane]

Now if I can just solve the other errorless CTD whose cause is still a major mystery, I'll be a very very happy modder. Probably has something to do with the AOR I've designed and the EDB. Anyway. A frustration for another day.

When does that happen? Have you thought about the revolt CTD? if you've got a complex AOR and cities that are about to have loyalist revolt won't have any units available to build - it's a likely culprit - gives errorless CTD during AI turn when city is about to revolt (likely to be at least a few turns in).

[Kylan271]

I was trying to work this out ages ago in MTW2??? Hmmm,very interesting,very handy to know. You are trying a Inca TW family tree? I hope it works since it is all hard work(been there screamed that),so I appreciate this.

[Ramashan]

When does that happen? Have you thought about the revolt CTD? if you've got a complex AOR and cities that are about to have loyalist revolt won't have any units available to build - it's a likely culprit - gives errorless CTD during AI turn when city is about to revolt (likely to be at least a few turns in).

This sounds exactly like what is happening. We have not coded in the resources yet so every city and faction goes broke rather quickly. And with the AOR, there are two levels of recruitment buildings, a non-factional one and a factional one. I wonder if I can avoid this by placing a standard barracks in every city that only recruits base level units, like peasants?

Any suggestion Mak? And thanks for the tip, I would have never thought of that.

You are trying a Inca TW family tree?

At the moment I am working on the Aztec, Tlaxcala, Tepanec, Maya, and Mixtec-Zapotec. Surprisingly, there is a lot of information on all the factions except the Mixtec. The problem for the Maya is lack of names for the leaders who were in power at the start of the mod, since they were quickly all killed in a civil war and forgotten about. But it has been interesting research. And interesting coding.

[CaesarVincens]

This sounds exactly like what is happening. We have not coded in the resources yet so every city and faction goes broke rather quickly. And with the AOR, there are two levels of recruitment buildings, a non-factional one and a factional one. I wonder if I can avoid this by placing a standard barracks in every city that only recruits base level units, like peasants?

Any suggestion Mak? And thanks for the tip, I would have never thought of that.

Do like vanilla and put a peasant/levy unit in the government building, or else in an indestructible building (or set of buildings) present in every city.

[Ramashan]

Do like vanilla and put a peasant/levy unit in the government building, or else in an indestructible building (or set of buildings) present in every city.

Makes sense, thanks guys for the additional help!

[Ramashan]

Well, I added some base units to every city recruitable by every faction, but it still crashes during the turn change. I could have missed something, so I'll double check it.

It could also be the double character bug. When it crashes, it looks like the last faction icon it always lands on is the same one. Could this be a hint to where the problem lies?