Unit Mini Preview: Ildütei Saicud

**Copperknickers II** · July 27, 2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hross

Any posts that infer Sumskilz has copied the work will be taken as a serious accusation, and reported to the CdeC.
Any posts that belittle Sumskilz's work will be taken as harrassment and reported to the CdeC.

Your criticisms are misleading and detract from the fact that he has spent a considerable amount of time and his own creativity to make the units his own while giving full credit to the Rusichi team for the base parts.

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Perhaps we should send our goons out to other mods saying hey that is DoTS code or that is based on reserch compiled and implemented by DoTS.

And that's not an empty threat. Seriously, have you ever seen the DotS goons? Nasty pieces of work i can tell you.

**Giovi** · July 27, 2009, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Yelü Dashi

Come on, let's be honest - very minor alterations to the original model/texture. Rep should go to the Rusichi boys, imho. A number of mods are now using their artwork (with permission), just tweaking it a bit and then previewing "new units".

great but i agree with Yelu

**Babur** · July 27, 2009, 07:16 AM

nice work, The Great Khan approves

**Yelü Dashi** · July 27, 2009, 07:25 AM

Model and Textures: Sumskilz incorporating the work of Roland and Lance of the Rusichi mod

I think you meant Ronin and Lance, they post rarely on TWC but they are registered. Tchouk does most of the liaison stuff on their forum. I just think 'incorporating' is a bit rich. Suggests you are 'incorporating' their work into something else ?

**Nevada** · July 27, 2009, 07:49 AM

I'm actually with Yelü's opinion here.

Nice stuff, but I the changes appear to be quite minor.

**IVIarkI2I** · July 27, 2009, 09:48 AM

yeap I have same opinion as Yelü also try to do your own models and textures dont copy it

**Maяcel** · July 27, 2009, 10:22 AM

great looking units

**Boztorgai_Khan** · November 02, 2010, 07:08 PM

Very Nice WORK... +REP

**Kjertesvein** · July 27, 2009, 10:53 AM

Why not show the first image in a spoilers, then the altered.

**sumskilz** · July 27, 2009, 10:59 AM

Come on, let's be honest - very minor alterations to the original model/texture.

Playerhate much?

Yes and no, I modified a combination of parts from five Rusichi models and seven textures. Were my modifications minor? I suppose they could be considered so compared to the greatness of Ronin and Lance’s original work, but they were not minor to me as they took me about twenty hours for each upgrade.

I don’t mind criticism from you Yelü as I know you created an original roster of Mongols without assistance. Have you not yet received enough praise for them? I will rep you right now.

I think you meant Ronin and Lance

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yeap I have same opinion as Yelü also try to do your own models and textures dont copy it

My friend, if the Rusichi mod had already created a unit and texture that fit this unit perfectly we would have used it exactly as it is. There is a finite amount of information known about the equipment of the steppe people during this period. Ronin and Lance have created models and textures for most of it. With hundreds of units to be made, why would I recreate what they have already done so well? I’m simply adding to what they’ve already given the community.

Every time someone creates something using the Rusichi units as a basis, there is a vocal minority that attacks their work as if building upon the work of someone else is useless. Caesar Clivus was attacked for his Battle of the Baltic roster, practically called a plagiarist, when he in fact both credited the Rusichi guys and added something new.

If you take the time, you’ll see that there is no Rusichi unit that directly correlates with my own in model or textures. Did you notice that I created five new face shapes to add to the four Rusichi ones? In addition, are you aware that there are no East Asian Rusichi face models that have Turkic style braids so I had to modify those four? My emendations may be subtle but they are numerous and based on historical reasoning.

Why not show the first image in a spoilers, then the altered.

Good idea, but which of their models should I show when I started with parts from seven of them?

Thanks everyone for your support.

**Yelü Dashi** · July 28, 2009, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by sumskilz

I don’t mind criticism from you Yelü as I know you created an original roster of Mongols without assistance. Have you not yet received enough praise for them? I will rep you right now.

With hundreds of units to be made, why would I recreate wat they have already done so well? I’m simply adding to what they’ve already given the community.

I didn't mean to kick up a

storm...honest ! So I am sorry if I offended you sumskilz. Do remember nobody creates anything round here 'without assitance' we all build on the work of CA, nothing is completely 'original'. I myself will be making extensive use of certain material from the Rusichi mod, especially their new animations, and their fantastic horse models - why wouldn't you ? I guess my original gripe was just in the presentation of the unit, when posters exclaimed 'amazing' or 'zomg beautiful!' they were perhaps assuming it was created from scratch ?

Originally Posted by Achilla

If you are so overproud of your work then lock the units from any distribution under AUH or any other mod you are working on like BC team did with their own units

Anything I will release /have released will be for public consumption - not that may mods are seeking to incorporate Chinese,Tibetan, Korean or Uighur units..but you never know

sumskilz Would be interested to know how you're going to differentiate these Central Asian units from the Mongols themselves ? Do you plan to intregrate other Rusichi units to create the Mongol roster ? For AUH I plan the meld my units and the Rusichi ones to create a diverse roster representing different Mongol clans - Naiman, Keryeid, Tuvan, Kerait and Taichud etc

Anyway, in future I'll keep my mouth shut, I fear the wrath of Hross.

**Copperknickers II** · July 28, 2009, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Yelü Dashi

Anything I will release /have released will be for public consumption - not that may mods are seeking to incorporate Chinese,Tibetan, Korean or Uighur units..but you never know

Really? You have changed your tune since i last asked you. Or maybe that was someone else. I will PM you.

sumskilz

Would be interested to know how you're going to differentiate these Central Asian units from the Mongols themselves ? Do you plan to intregrate other Rusichi units to create the Mongol roster ? For AUH I plan the meld my units and the Rusichi ones to create a diverse roster representing different Mongol clans - Naiman, Keryeid, Tuvan, Kerait and Taichud etc

Anyway, in future I'll keep my mouth shut, I fear the wrath of Hross.

There will be two different Mongol factions, the Golden Horde and the Il-Khanate in DotS, plus the Timmurids hopefully.

**~~Banzai!~~** · July 30, 2009, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by Yelü Dashi

Anything I will release /have released will be for public consumption - not that may mods are seeking to incorporate Chinese,Tibetan, Korean or Uighur units..but you never know

Therefore your Mongols must be free for anyone to use.

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**Hansa** · July 27, 2009, 11:03 AM

Most impressive. I won't comment on historical accuracy as I am not qualified, but I get a clear eastern steppe feel from the look of the unit, and your mention of the Khitai leads me to assume that this unit will be recruitable in the eastern steppe fringes of the map; correct?

And as for using other mods units, as long as credit is given you have permission to use them I can't understand whats wrong with that, and that seems to be in order. can't understand why absolutely everyone has to make their own exclusive units for everything, if it fits your mod than borrow all you can. Intellectual theft is a completely other matter, but you're not doing that.

Ed; and cred to myself for once again creating an absolutely pointless post as my case was apparently argued more eloquently by a team member as I wrote my post

**Kjertesvein** · July 27, 2009, 11:04 AM

The more, the better(for you and for the orginal creators).

**sumskilz** · July 27, 2009, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Blackleaf-Wille

The more, the better(for you and for the orginal creators).

Okay, I may put some in later in the thread when I have the time, but anyone who is really interested should just go check out the Rusichi mod. It's great stuff.

**sumskilz** · July 27, 2009, 11:09 AM

Most impressive. I won't comment on historical accuracy as I am not qualified, but I get a clear eastern steppe feel from the look of the unit, and your mention of the Khitai leads me to assume that this unit will be recruitable in the eastern steppe fringes of the map; correct?

There was a massive redistribution of central Asian populations in the wake of the Mongol conquests. Estimates by historians put the number as high as 40% of the settled populations of Central Asian moved into the more "civilized" lands beyond the steppe during this period. In short, the Mongols brought skilled labor with them and those who were useful to the Mongols could profit from it. So these guys should be recruitable wherever the Mongols go. We will have regional only units as well.