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    July 23, 2009 When will the alarmists realize that the developing world is not getting on board?

    By George Will

    Unfortunately, China's president had to dash home to suppress ethnic riots. Had he stayed in Italy at the recent Group of Eight summit, he could have continued the Herculean task of disabusing Barack Obama of his amazingly durable belief, shared by the U.S. Congress, that China — and India, Brazil, Mexico and other developing nations — will sacrifice their modernization on the altar of climate change. China has a more pressing agenda, and not even suppressing riots tops the list.

    China made this clear in June, when its vice premier said, opaquely, that China will "actively" participate in climate change talks on a basis of "common but differentiated responsibility." The meaning of that was made clear three days later, at a climate change conference in Bonn, where a Chinese spokesman reiterated that his country's priority is economic growth: "Given that, it is natural for China to have some increase in its emissions, so it is not possible for China in that context to accept a binding or compulsory target." That was redundant: In January, China announced that its continuing reliance on coal as its primary source of energy will require increasing coal production 30 percent in the next six years.

    In Bonn, even thoroughly developed Japan promised only a 2 percent increase of its emission-reduction obligations under the 1997 Kyoto agreement. Japan's decision left Yvo de Boer, the slow learner who is the U.N.'s climate change czar, nonplussed: "For the first time in my two and a half years in this job, I don't know what to say."

    Others did. They said: On to Italy! The Financial Times reported, "Officials are now pinning their hopes" on the G-8 summit.


    Which has come and gone, the eight having vowed to cut emissions of greenhouse gases 80 percent by 2050, which is 41 years distant. As is 1968, which seems as remote as the Punic Wars, considering that more than half of all living Americans were born after 1966. If you do not want to do anything today, promise to do everything tomorrow, which is always a day away.

    Still, sternly declaring that they will brook no nonsense from nature, the eight made a commitment — but a nonbinding one — that Earth's temperature shall not rise by more than 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit over "preindustrial levels." That is the goal. Details to follow. Tomorrow.

    Explaining such lethargy in the face of a supposed emergency, the G-8's host, Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, said the eight should not burden themselves as long as "5 billion people continue to behave as they have always behaved." Actually, the problem, for people who think it is a problem, is that the 5 billion in the developing world are behaving in a new way. After centuries of exclusion from economic growth, they are enjoying it, which is tiresome to would-be climate fixers in already prosperous nations.

    The fixers say: On to Copenhagen! There, in December, the moveable feast of climate confabulations will continue. By which time China, at its current pace, probably will have brought on line 14 more coal-fired generating plants, each of them capable of providing all the electricity needed for a city the size of San Diego. And last Sunday, India told visiting Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that there is "no case"for U.S. pressure on India to reduce carbon emissions.

    The costs of weaning the U.S. economy off much of its reliance on carbon are uncertain, but certainly large. The climatic benefits of doing so are uncertain but, given the behavior of those pesky 5 billion, almost certainly small, perhaps minuscule, even immeasurable. Fortunately, skepticism about the evidence that supposedly supports current alarmism about climate change is growing, as is evidence that, whatever the truth about the problem turns out to be, U.S. actions cannot be significantly ameliorative.

    When New York Times columnist Tom Friedman called upon "young Americans" to "get a million people on the Washington Mall calling for a price on carbon," another columnist, Mark Steyn, responded: "If you're 29, there has been no global warming for your entire adult life. If you're graduating high school, there has been no global warming since you entered first grade."

    Which could explain why the Mall does not reverberate with youthful clamors about carbon. And why, regarding climate change, the U.S. government, rushing to impose unilateral cap-and-trade burdens on the sagging U.S. economy, looks increasingly like someone who bought a closetful of platform shoes and bell-bottom slacks just as disco was dying.
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    This is why Bush said no to Koyoto and any other climate control plans because it's unfair to us. China, India, and Russia is using cap and trade was a why to gain an upper hand over Europe and the US.

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    Short-sighted reproductive success always trumps everything with stupid people. If people in the third world (and poor people in the first world for that matter) had any brains they would realize that reducing their pop. size could end more than half their problems within a few decades if they made a one-child per family policy and actually followed it. Instead they will keep ing themselves into even more generations of squalor and poverty as usual.

    More people will always equal more pollution no matter how many laws you attempt to pass.

    Skandranon, do you think other environmental problems are also a myth? Because you're going to get more of those, too..
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    This is why Bush said no to Koyoto and any other climate control plans because it's unfair to us. China, India, and Russia is using cap and trade was a why to gain an upper hand over Europe and the US.
    CO2 emissions:

    Americans: 19.5 Tonnes
    Chinese: 2.7 Tonnes

    Soooo unfair!!!!!!



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    Why should I care about something I am convinced doesn't exist? Global warming is a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Why should I care about something I am convinced doesn't exist? Global warming is a farce.
    Well the world is warming, both the average yearly median temperature and the average water temperature have both risen over the past century so global warming in itself is real, just the cause of it is up for debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar109 View Post
    Well the world is warming, both the average yearly median temperature and the average water temperature have both risen over the past century so global warming in itself is real, just the cause of it is up for debate.
    If the world is some 4 billion years old, and is already had ice ages how do we know that were affecting anything? We only have a 100 years of evidence, and compared to 4,000,000,000 years that's a small number. The earth has already had ice ages & warming periods (I.E. Medieval Warming Period), Also air temperatures have changed, not core temperatures air temperatures dont give you as accurate reading becaues its always fluctuating while as If we had solid proof from core & ground temp then you could prove that the Earth is warming.

    The Chinese pollute more then US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm

    the list for co2 pullution.

    China
    US
    Russia
    India
    Japan

    So why should only one of those countries basically tie their economy down? This is a world recession, that is a fact we should fix the worlds economy before we start talking about something that doesnt have enough facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downey View Post
    If the world is some 4 billion years old, and is already had ice ages how do we know that were affecting anything? We only have a 100 years of evidence, and compared to 4,000,000,000 years that's a small number. The earth has already had ice ages & warming periods (I.E. Medieval Warming Period), Also air temperatures have changed, not core temperatures air temperatures dont give you as accurate reading becaues its always fluctuating while as If we had solid proof from core & ground temp then you could prove that the Earth is warming.

    The Chinese pollute more then US.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm

    the list for co2 pullution.

    China
    US
    Russia
    India
    Japan

    So why should only one of those countries basically tie their economy down? This is a world recession, that is a fact we should fix the worlds economy before we start talking about something that doesnt have enough facts.
    Did you read my whole one sentence post or cut out after the first three words? The world is warming, no matter how you look at it the average yearly surface and water temperature of the globe has gone up, the globe is and has been warming for over a century now so Global Warming is real.

    As for the cause of it all know one has the slightest idea why it's warming and anyone who says they have a full proof theory or they know is full of it. If we use the entire past of Earth, every piece of data you put out weather it supports the carbon emission theory of Global Warming or the Natural Occurrence theory I can go back and find three pieces of data that counter it. We have no idea how or why these cycles come about, hence why they all retain the word theories and hypothesis. Man kind has had an impact, it has been proven that carbon emissions do effect the atmosphere, to what extent they impact it can only be guessed upon. We just don't have enough hard, solid data to come up with an even remotely plausible explanation just a bunch of people putting out their ideas based on shoddy evidence.

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    Yes I read your post.

    & also I agree with you on climate change, I don't quite agree it is man-made climate change, because we dont have enough solid evidence to say we did it.

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    When you really get down to it, Who gives a Rats Tail about climate change or global warming, Most of us will be dead of old age before it get really bad, If It does.
    So why the hell should people suffer unemployment, expensive energy alternative's and a less happy life for a load of self interest groups on a damn crusade.
    If! It does happen as the scaremongers predict. So what! The Earth will still be here it will continue to evolve, The oceans may be a lot higher for a few million years as they have been before! and then things will change again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    When you really get down to it, Who gives a Rats Tail about climate change or global warming, Most of us will be dead of old age before it get really bad, If It does.
    So why the hell should people suffer unemployment, expensive energy alternative's and a less happy life for a load of self interest groups on a damn crusade.
    If! It does happen as the scaremongers predict. So what! The Earth will still be here it will continue to evolve, The oceans may be a lot higher for a few million years as they have been before! and then things will change again.
    I guess you don't have any children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleach View Post
    I guess you don't have any children?
    They will have to evolve and adapt like all other species or not as the case may be.
    Just as life has done since it first appeared on this planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    They will have to evolve and adapt like all other species or not as the case may be.
    Just as life has done since it first appeared on this planet.
    This is the problem with almost all of America and pretty much the entire world, no matter what subject we are talking about. Economy, war, politics, environmental issues, ect, it makes zero difference. Why bother with something if it isn't going to have any effect on my generation, let the next generation of suckers deal with the problems we caused.

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    Good Point, kill the whales!

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