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    The Racism of Diversity

    By Dr. Walter E. Williams

    The U.S. Naval Academy's PowerPoint display explains diversity by saying, "Diversity is all the different characteristics and attributes of individual sailors and civilians which enhance the mission readiness of the Navy," adding that: "Diversity is more than equal opportunity, race, gender or religion. Diversity is the understanding of how each of us brings different skills, talents and experiences to the fight — and valuing those differences. Leveraging diversity creates an environment of excellence and continuous improvement to remove artificial achievement barriers and value the contribution of all participants." Admiral Gary Roughead, chief of Naval Operations, says that "diversity is the No. 1 priority" at the academy.


    Diversity at the Naval Academy, as at most academic institutions, is not about equal opportunity but a race and sex spoils system to achieve what the Navy brass see as a pleasing race and sex mix. They accomplish that vision by the removal of "artificial achievement barriers." Let's go over what the Naval Academy sees as an artificial achievement barrier. A black candidate with B and C grades, with no particular leadership qualities, and 500 on both portions of the SAT, is virtually guaranteed admittance. A white student, who's not an athlete, with such scores is deemed not qualified.


    Many black students are admitted to the Naval Academy through remedial training at the Naval Academy Preparatory School (NAPS) in Newport, R.I., which is a one-year post-secondary school. Finishing the year with a 2.0 GPA, a C average, almost guarantees admission to the academy. A C average for remedial work is nothing to write home about. Occasionally, when students don't make the 2.0 GPA target, the target is renegotiated downward. Minority applicants with SAT scores down to the 300s and with Cs and Ds grades (and no particular leadership or athletics) are also admitted after a remedial year at the Naval Academy Preparatory School.


    Bruce Fleming, an English professor at the academy for 22 years, teaches a remedial English class and finds that in his spring 2009 class, most of NAPS's students earn Cs and Ds and many are on probation. About seven years ago Professor Fleming was on the admissions board, where the standing instruction is not to write anything down because "everything is 'FOI'able" — meaning it can be demanded under the Freedom of Information Act. Such an instruction highlights the dishonesty of race preferences. The dishonesty doesn't stop there. The academy will go to great lengths to retain black students. When Professor Fleming charged a black student with plagiarism, he was not properly informed of the hearing and subsequently the student's peer group found him not guilty. Honor violations by black students are usually "remediated."


    I suspected that the Naval Academy's diversity agenda would give rise to resentments so I asked Professor Fleming about it. He said there are two levels of resentment. Some black students, who were admitted to the academy meritoriously on the same basis as white students, resent the idea of being seen as having the same academic qualities as blacks who were given preferential treatment, in other words being dumb. Another level of resentment comes from white students who see blacks as being admitted and retained at lower levels of academic performance and being treated with kid gloves. If these whites openly complained about the unequal treatment, they would run the risk of being labeled as racists. This is one of the unappreciated aspects of preferential treatment. It runs the risk of creating racist attitudes, and possibly feelings of racial superiority, among whites and others who were formerly racially neutral.


    Colleges and universities with racially preferential admittance policies are doing a great disservice to blacks in another, mostly ignored, way. By admitting poorly prepared blacks, they are helping to conceal the grossly fraudulent education the blacks receive at the K through 12 grades
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    Yeah, this is why so many people are against affirmative action because it counters racism with (you guessed it) more racism. Annapolis' 'diversity' is another name for affirmative action courtesy of political correctness.

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    So where is the actual primary source this article got it's information from? I.e. the actual applications where black idiots were allowed in, but not white idiots?

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    So where is the actual primary source this article got it's information from? I.e. the actual applications where black idiots were allowed in, but not white idiots?
    Must be a conspiracy by the Jewish world review.
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    Really? I wonder whether you were thinking that when you reacted abnormally to a request for information... mainly via hyperbolic straw man...
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    Must be a conspiracy by the Jewish world review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    Really? I wonder whether you were thinking that when you reacted abnormally to a request for information... mainly via hyperbolic straw man...
    Frankly, I was just a bit surprised that the Jewish World Review would have been a source that would have needed back up and pre-post in depth research. Now I know better. I´m actually positively surprised on the seriousness in the approach for this game forum. I will be sure to demand the same credentials each time I will find a subject I do not agree with.
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    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    So where is the actual primary source this article got it's information from? I.e. the actual applications where black idiots were allowed in, but not white idiots?
    Good point. George Bush became POTUS twice!!!! Enough said.
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    I didn;t say it was conspiracy, nor did I even imply it. Not as much as a whiff. I conclude that english isn;t your first language, or you went out to deliberately misrepresent me and draw up the biggest straw man I've ever seen here. Alternatively it could be of course avoiding having to give out their primary source.

    I meant exactly what I typed. Where are their primary sources. When things like this happen in the UK, they get it from ''Freedom of Information Acts'' which all detail the exact source of information. I don;t doubt their is PC positive discrimination, it's become a pain in the arse in the world now, especially America.... but I merely doubt that bad D students get let in because they are black above white students who are good. That;s now how these PC policies work.

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    Wow this is when socialism becomes insane.


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    Who mentioned socialism?


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    One of those tick boxes I think Rome. He could have read the article first though.
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    Americans must blame socialism sometimes. They cant help it.

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    Anyway, I have evidence that the OP is rubbish. Courtesy of Viking Prince.

    http://www.eduers.com/University/Mar...l_Academy.html


    Percent of first-time, first-year students enrolled in Fall 2006 with scores in each range:

    SAT Critical Reading --SAT Math
    700-800 --16.0% -- 26.0%
    600-699 --46.0% -- 53.0%
    500-599 --33.0% -- 19.0%
    400-499 --05.0% -- 02.0%
    300-399 --00.0% -- 00.0%
    200-299 --00.0% -- 00.0%

    The similar stats are not available for Harvard broken down by score:

    SAT scores (25/75 percentile):
    Critical Reading: 690 – 800
    Math: 700 – 790
    Combined: 1390 – 1590

    The academy profile the same manner is:

    SAT scores (25/75 percentile):
    Critical Reading: 560 – 670
    Math: 600 – 700
    Combined: 1160 – 1370

    The profile at my local University of Colorado (which is considered a good public university):

    SAT scores (25/75 percentile):
    Critical Reading: 520 - 630
    Math: 540 - 650
    Combined: 1060 - 1280
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    So the USNA is between Harvard and CU which is about where they should be if you want officers that are drawn from ordinary and not the elites of society.With more digging, I am certain I could get the racial breakdown as well, but I do not think it is needed.

    So something around 5 - 7% (assuming some overlap on math and reading at the low end. From this deduct athletic and leadership (and probably political/military connections also) and you probably have nothing left to suggest blacks are favored.

    Walter Williams may be talking without the stats to back up his case as you suspected. You will note that the Williams criticism was careful to focus on the powerpoint words and only implied what happens.

    I like Williams as an academic, but he is not an academic when he writes for the papers. Krugman is another economist doing the same stunts and not getting called for it.

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    There is such a thing as positive discrimination.
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    Did Rome/mongrel (they are like the same people to me) just debunk another Ebusitanus thread? Is he really setting them up so others can hit them out? I smell a double conspiracy.




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    Or maybe I find interesting articles on allegedly decent sites such as in this case the Jewish world review, trust them and post them. Its ridiculous to expect a in-depth research on every article that is out there before posting IMHO. I could also say that my article if from 2009 while the study shown is from 2006, right? Or also demand objective non partidistic references for any commentary made.

    I commend any further research being made about this subject. I am, as the poster, also interested in knowing more and enjoy when other posters debate and even refute parts or all of an article. This should never be shown as a lack of integrity on part of the poster IMO.
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    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Jewish World Review

    July 22, 2009
    The Racism of Diversity

    By Dr. Walter E. Williams

    The U.S. Naval Academy's PowerPoint display explains diversity by saying, "Diversity is all the different characteristics and attributes of individual sailors and civilians which enhance the mission readiness of the Navy," adding that: "Diversity is more than equal opportunity, race, gender or religion. Diversity is the understanding of how each of us brings different skills, talents and experiences to the fight — and valuing those differences. Leveraging diversity creates an environment of excellence and continuous improvement to remove artificial achievement barriers and value the contribution of all participants." Admiral Gary Roughead, chief of Naval Operations, says that "diversity is the No. 1 priority" at the academy.


    Diversity at the Naval Academy, as at most academic institutions, is not about equal opportunity but a race and sex spoils system to achieve what the Navy brass see as a pleasing race and sex mix. They accomplish that vision by the removal of "artificial achievement barriers." Let's go over what the Naval Academy sees as an artificial achievement barrier. A black candidate with B and C grades, with no particular leadership qualities, and 500 on both portions of the SAT, is virtually guaranteed admittance. A white student, who's not an athlete, with such scores is deemed not qualified.


    Many black students are admitted to the Naval Academy through remedial training at the Naval Academy Preparatory School (NAPS) in Newport, R.I., which is a one-year post-secondary school. Finishing the year with a 2.0 GPA, a C average, almost guarantees admission to the academy. A C average for remedial work is nothing to write home about. Occasionally, when students don't make the 2.0 GPA target, the target is renegotiated downward. Minority applicants with SAT scores down to the 300s and with Cs and Ds grades (and no particular leadership or athletics) are also admitted after a remedial year at the Naval Academy Preparatory School.


    Bruce Fleming, an English professor at the academy for 22 years, teaches a remedial English class and finds that in his spring 2009 class, most of NAPS's students earn Cs and Ds and many are on probation. About seven years ago Professor Fleming was on the admissions board, where the standing instruction is not to write anything down because "everything is 'FOI'able" — meaning it can be demanded under the Freedom of Information Act. Such an instruction highlights the dishonesty of race preferences. The dishonesty doesn't stop there. The academy will go to great lengths to retain black students. When Professor Fleming charged a black student with plagiarism, he was not properly informed of the hearing and subsequently the student's peer group found him not guilty. Honor violations by black students are usually "remediated."


    I suspected that the Naval Academy's diversity agenda would give rise to resentments so I asked Professor Fleming about it. He said there are two levels of resentment. Some black students, who were admitted to the academy meritoriously on the same basis as white students, resent the idea of being seen as having the same academic qualities as blacks who were given preferential treatment, in other words being dumb. Another level of resentment comes from white students who see blacks as being admitted and retained at lower levels of academic performance and being treated with kid gloves. If these whites openly complained about the unequal treatment, they would run the risk of being labeled as racists. This is one of the unappreciated aspects of preferential treatment. It runs the risk of creating racist attitudes, and possibly feelings of racial superiority, among whites and others who were formerly racially neutral.


    Colleges and universities with racially preferential admittance policies are doing a great disservice to blacks in another, mostly ignored, way. By admitting poorly prepared blacks, they are helping to conceal the grossly fraudulent education the blacks receive at the K through 12 grades
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    Well that is certainly positive. Good on you.

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    There is such a thing as positive discrimination.
    Of course. It also goes by the name of racism, and was legalised in Britain by our delightful arch-feminist Harriet Harman... Not that I can vouch for the accuracy of the OP here, but just saying.

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