Morrocco and the Holocaust

[DekuTrash]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090725/...lims_holocaust

Just camer across the wire, thought I'd share it.

First leader in the Arab world I've heard speak out like this.

[Hippolord]

I Comend this mans efforts, but i doubt that it will come to much, but good to know that he is raising awareness in his own country...

And wait...

Morrocco has a king?

I learned something new today!

[DekuTrash]

I didn't know that either.

[nopasties]

sounds good, didn't find any alterior motive

[Gauvin]

Morrocco has a king?

It was on Final Jeopardy once:

The northernmost kingdom in Africa

None of them answered correctly.

This is good news, btw, good post.

[DekuTrash]

Now that I think of it, you never really hear about Morocco. Besides that one attack, they've managed to stay away from the fanaticism of other places. Location methinks?

[Hippolord]

Now that I think of it, you never really hear about Morocco. Besides that one attack, they've managed to stay away from the fanaticism of other places. Location methinks?

Most likely location, an the fact that they have stayed out of the way of most conflicts lately, religous or political. They are rather wealthy for an African Nation, and seem to have a history for being big advocates of peace and understanding in North Africa.

[nopasties]

They do not tolerate the fanatics. The movie Babel makes it clear.

[Chukada1]

Most likely location, an the fact that they have stayed out of the way of most conflicts lately, religous or political. They are rather wealthy for an African Nation, and seem to have a history for being big advocates of peace and understanding in North Africa.

I thought they were a Berber nation.

[Trey]

I Comend this mans efforts, but i doubt that it will come to much, but good to know that he is raising awareness in his own country...

And wait...

Morrocco has a king?

I learned something new today!

Yeah he's pretty progressive for a king, he's working a lot on women's rights.
NM, just saw Thorn got it.

[Thorn777]

The now dead King Hassan was the Pablo Escobar of hash, and quite the mean fellow at times(torture, extortion of peasants etc). His son though seems really really capable and also pushes big reforms trough.

[jankren]

North Africa has always been the more friendly part of the Abrahamic world toward Jews. Second only to Turkey.

Nevertheless, Morocco is still a relatively repressive absolute religious monarchy. Just because they are nice with the Jews doesnt mean its a good country because it is not.

They do not tolerate the fanatics. The movie Babel makes it clear.

Saudi monarchy also do not tolerate fanatics. Does that mean we should praise them? No.

Dont be fooled. These kings hate religious extremist groups because they pose a threat to their power not because they are some kinda benevolent peaceful and pro-freedom rulers.

[Visna]

Gotta hand it to King Mohammed VI, the man has got balls.

[Furious Mental]

'These kings hate religious extremist groups because they pose a threat to their power not because they are some kinda benevolent peaceful and pro-freedom rulers.'

Exactly, just like the governments of Algeria, Syria, Egypt and, until short time ago, Iraq. The Arab League is still basically a club for dictators. Not being an anti-semitic lunatic does not make someone a benevolent humanitarian.

[Каие]

It pisses me off when Muslims deny the Holocaust, belittle it or somehow paint a favourable light on the Nazis. My Muslim ancestors from Morocco and Algeria resisted Nazi attempts to occupy them, fought in their hundreds of thousands against the Nazis, were killed in that mission and then were pissed on and forgotten by those whom they fought for. Their contribution to the war was integral in Torch and Huskey. Moroccans and Algerians especially fought against the Nazis in the name of liberty against tyranny, a battle they took up again a decade later. This story is not unique amongst Africans. As did the Pakistanis in the 3 million strong British Indian Army. The Pakistani Muslim contingent participating at Alemein, with the Australians, the turning point of WW2 for the British. As did the Arab legion in Syria and Jordan.

Pisses me off. ''God bless Hitler'' my arse.

North Africa has always been the more friendly part of the Abrahamic world toward Jews. Second only to Turkey.

Until the French came.

Nevertheless, Morocco is still a relatively repressive absolute religious monarchy. Just because they are nice with the Jews doesnt mean its a good country because it is not.

Saudi monarchy also do not tolerate fanatics. Does that mean we should praise them? No.

Dont be fooled. These kings hate religious extremist groups because they pose a threat to their power not because they are some kinda benevolent peaceful and pro-freedom rulers.

QFT.

Most Muslim leaders hate Islamists not because they disagree, but because they are a threat to their undemocratic and despot dictatorships. Gaddafi hates Islamists. Wear a beard and Kamisin Lybia, and you have no rights. Same with Algeria.

[Ludicus]

Dont be fooled. These kings hate religious extremist groups because they pose a threat to their power not because they are some kinda benevolent peaceful and pro-freedom rulers.

This reminds me why US sometimes supports dictatorial regimes; dictators are sometimes more flexible toward US; islamist governments are invariably anti-american.

[Erik]

This reminds me why US sometimes supports dictatorial regimes; dictators are sometimes more flexible toward US; islamist governments are invariably anti-american.

You have it in reverse: Islamic regimes are anti-American because America supports these dictatorial regimes.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

The story sort of gives the impression that Muslims in general don't believe the Holocaust ever happened.

To the contrary, as the facts stand, Muslims do in fact believe that the Holocaust happened. What they're puzzled about is why Israel treats the Palestinians the way the Nazis treated the Jews. Yes, there are no gas chambers and but trust me, it's ironic considering how one nation's suffering did not teach them that oppression is a bad thing.

Lastly, Israel was not established because of the Holocaust. The Zionist movement started more than 50 years prior to it. The savage atrocities of the Nazi Holocaust, ironically, helped bring the anti-Israel critics on board after WW-II.

[b_133]

The story sort of gives the impression that Muslims in general don't believe the Holocaust ever happened.

To the contrary, as the facts stand, Muslims do in fact believe that the Holocaust happened. What they're puzzled about is why Israel treats the Palestinians the way the Nazis treated the Jews. Yes, there are no gas chambers and but trust me, it's ironic considering how one nation's suffering did not teach them that oppression is a bad thing.

Lastly, Israel was not established because of the Holocaust. The Zionist movement started more than 50 years prior to it. The savage atrocities of the Nazi Holocaust, ironically, helped bring the anti-Israel critics on board after WW-II.

If only Gas Chambers were the only real difference.
'Course, i just ask where's the Ghettos, where's the utter and complete destruction of every single Mosque across the continent, where's the Boycotts, where's the hate speeches, where's the atrocious demonization of Palestinians.
Did Jews ever have something like the PA? More importantly, was there ever any actual reason for the Nazis to put to work any of the policies they had against the Jews, other than them simply being Jews? Did a jew ever blow up a bus or restaurant, so often that a long fence had to be put in place to keep them out? Did Jews ever stand in their little balconies and shoot people who walk by so that concrete wall had to be put in some places? Did Jews ever fire 4,000 rockets to Germans, swearing to destroy Germany and put a fundematalist Jewish republic in it's place, that forced blockades?
It's cute that you just forgot about all these, but it's getting old.
But i know you don't care, it's perfectly fine it's TWC here.

If you want to compare anything in this conflict to anything that has to do with Nazi Germany or WW2 you can compare the demonization of Israel by loonies such as yourself to the demonization of pretty much anything in WW2. Germany, Jews, Communists.
That's where i can find you similarities, when Israel (even on this forum) is painted as the devil, the utter epitome of evil, the only country here to have been discussed here who's punishment for doing something you don't like is it's destruction and the only country who's existence people still question, even 'enlightened' (Read, loonie liberals) people here in TWC.

Yes it is a minority of Muslims don't believe in the Holocaust, but a majority question it's relevance in accordance with the Israeli war.



They have however been the target of ethnic cleansing.

That's kind of hypocritical, isn't it?
You don't really have the right to question it's relevance to the conflict when you guys are the only ones to ever bring it up in relevance to the conflict, mostly as a way to bash Israel (See Mr. 'Israel ironically does the same thing today' in the above post. If only i could count how many times i heard those words here...).

I've been here for a while fighting people over Israel and the only times i saw the Israeli side ever bringing up the Holocaust was in relevance to Israel's existence, which it certainly has to do with. Never, ever in relevance with the conflict or Israel's policies. It's the other way around.

[Каие]

That's kind of hypocritical, isn't it?
You don't really have the right to question it's relevance to the conflict when you guys are the only ones to ever bring it up in relevance to the conflict, mostly as a way to bash Israel.

I've been here for a while fighting people over Israel and the only times i saw the Israeli side ever bringing up the Holocaust was in relevance to Israel's existence, which it certainly has to do with. Never, ever in relevance with the conflict or Israel's policies. It's the other way around.

If only that were true. I've never had a debate on Israel where the previous holocaust, or some potential future holocaust, wasn't brought up in some way by the pro-Israeli camp.

Yes, they are the targets of ethnic cleansing. But even though it is despicable, seeking to push a national group off its land is not as bad as occupying the land and then exterminating the people in order to biologically destroy the national group as such. Call it what it is, and compare it to other similar acts, which may include other aspects of Nazi tyranny, but not the Holocaust, because the two are different.

Hitler's original goal was to just push the Jews out of Germany . That's why the ministry for Jewish emigration was created, and the discrimination, oppressive laws and terror. They first try to get rid of themthat way... but the context of a chaotic desperate war and Jewish resistance gives the chance and pushes them to massacre them. They massacred everyone, not only Jews, Russians being most prominent amongst the Holocaust victims.

Hence that's where the idea comes from in Arab eyes that the Israelis are only being prevented by the modern age, lack of world war and the UN. Mind you I bet the Arabs would try and do the same thing if this was the other way around.

No doubt. Those Jewish Bolsheviks got up to all kinds of mischief, or so I'm led to believe by Mein Kampf.

Or basic Soviet history books.