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    Default Remember the whole Savage UK ban

    The real reason is that there was too many Muslims on the ban list and they needed to add a few non Muslims to be fair.

    Realpolitik: Savage on ban list to 'balance' Muslim extremists
    'I think we could be accused of duplicity in naming him'

    Official correspondence, released under the United Kingdom's Freedom of Information law, reveals that U.S. radio talk-show host Michael Savage's name was placed on a list of people banned from Britain in order to provide "balance" to a "least wanted" list dominated by Muslim extremists, and the decision was made "at the highest level of government," the London Daily Mail reported today.

    "We will want to ensure that the names disclosed reflect the broad range of cases and are not all Islamic extremists," reads a draft recommendation, marked "Restricted," that was obtained as part of Savage's libel lawsuit against the government and former Home Secretary Jacqui Smith

    Refering to Savage by his birth name, one of the newly released e-mail messages, dated Nov. 27, 2008, from an unnamed Home Office official, says, "with Weiner, I can understand that disclosure of the decision would help provide a balance of types of exclusion cases."

    Savage had earlier accused Smith of having plucked his name out of a hat because he was "controversial and white." These latest revelations add weight to Savage's charge.

    Savage told WND today the Home Office chose him to balance the list of Muslim extremists because he is Jewish.

    "The name Dreyfus comes to mind. They have attempted to destroy my reputation to avoid offending those Muslims who want to destroy them! The Warsaw ghetto comes to mind, where some Jews threw other Jews into gestapo hands to live another day," he said.

    Make no mistake about this – they 'chose' me because I am the only talker in the top five who is Jewish! The old anti-Semitic strain has resurfaced in England, not among the right wing, but on the socialist left. This should galvanize every member of the U.S. media, but will it?"

    Another e-mail, released under FOI, points to complicity by other agencies and even Prime Minister Gordon Brown.

    "HO [Home Office] intend to include Weiner in their quarterly stats ... Both the FS [foreign secretary] and PM [prime minister] are firmly behind listing and naming such people," it reads.

    The internal e-mail communications include a message from an unnamed civil servant whose cautions were ignored.

    "I think we could be accused of duplicity in naming him," he wrote without explaining the reason. But, noting a possible mitigating factor that could quell any controversy, he added, "The fact that he is homophobic does help."

    The release of the new information follows an earlier erroneous report that Savage's name was to be removed from the list.

    Savage told WND July 18 he was "stunned" by a report in London's Daily Mail saying incoming Home Secretary Alan Johnson scrapped his predecessor's list of people banned from Britain – a list that grouped Savage with Islamic hate preachers and terrorists.

    (Story continues below)



    Savage had sued outgoing Home Secretary Jacqui Smith for libel for listing him, along with 15 others, as "least wanted" visitors in the country. Meanwhile, Smith's successor, Johnson, called the move a terrible blunder and told the Daily Mail he would scrap the policy of maintaining such enemies lists.

    But Savage told WND two days later that according to his attorney, Johnson's announcement did not mean his name had been removed from the list.

    "It ain't over till it's over," Savage said on his broadcast that day.

    Savage still demands an apology from Smith, who recently admitted she was not up to being home secretary, saying she should have been given some training for the job before being named.

    "When I became home secretary I'd never run a major organization," she told Total Politics magazine. "I hope I did a good job but if I did it was more by luck than by any kind of development of skills. I think we should have been better trained. I think there should have been more induction."

    Last month, Smith resigned her position in the wake of scandal over personal use of taxpayer funds and her controversial ban of Savage.

    Savage took the offensive against her by appearing on a BBC radio program and filing his lawsuit.

    Smith contended upon announcing the ban of Savage May 5 that the talk host was "someone who has fallen into the category of fomenting hatred, of such extreme views and expressing them in such a way that it is actually likely to cause inter-community tension or even violence if that person were allowed into the country."

    Savage also has sent a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, asking that she call on the British government to withdraw the ban.

    The complaint against Smith notes the home secretary's office said in a press release that the "controversial daily radio host" is "considered to be engaging in unacceptable behavior by seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred which might lead to inter-community violence."

    The allegations are "entirely false," the complaint asserts.

    "At no time has our client provoked or sought to provoke others to commit crimes or serious criminal acts."

    Savage hosts the nation's third most popular radio talk show, with an estimated 8 million listeners a week on about 400 stations, according to his syndicator, the Talk Radio Network.

    Savage told WND after the ban was announced last month that his message for Smith and the people of the U.K. was, "Shame on you. Shame that you've fallen to such a low level."

    "It's interesting to me that here I am a talk show host, who does not advocate violence, who advocates patriotic traditional values – borders, language, culture – who is now on a list banned in England," Savage said. "What does that say about the government of England? It says more about them than it says about me."

    The U.K. list also includes Hamas leader Yunis Al-Astal, former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard Stephen Donald Black, neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe and radical American pastor Fred Phelps, known for his virulent anti-gay protests at funerals. Phelps' daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper also is on the list.

    On his website, Savage appealed to his listeners to contribute to his legal fund, which he has used for various efforts, including a lawsuit last year against the Council on American-Islamic Relations for waging a boycott using excerpts of his copyrighted remarks. In the case of Savage's U.K. ban, however, CAIR has sided with Savage, arguing "freedom of speech is a two-way street."

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105029

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    You're using WND and Daily Mail as a credible sources? What, no Free republic link for us? How about an Article by the Sun?

    The British government can ban whoever they ing want from entering country. It doesn't what the excuse is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    You're using WND and Daily Mail as a credible sources? What, no Free republic link for us? How about an Article by the Sun?

    The British government can ban whoever they ing want from entering country. It doesn't what the excuse is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    That's right, attack the source, who gives a crap is it true or not...
    I honestly don't care if it's true or not. It's nonissue, the UK is allowed to ban anybody they want for any reason. America does the same for trivial reason as well.

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    I use the Drudge Report for my sources of news, but to fair I can give you other non WND news soruces:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=44294

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    Read a napoleonic first hand account of a Hessian serving under the french flag

    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

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    Why does it matter why they were banned? They are banned and that's the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Why does it matter why they were banned? They are banned and that's the end of it.
    Pretty scary to try to understand your views.
    Read a napoleonic first hand account of a Hessian serving under the french flag

    Athenians: For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses - either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed;.......... since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.

    Part of the Melian Dialogue in The History of the Pelopenessian War by Thucydides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebusitanus View Post
    Pretty scary to try to understand your views.
    I have been told I'm a scary person. But seriously, what loss is it to Britain to have Savage banned, no matter what the reason?

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    So...did they seriously ban him in the name of racial balance or what? 'Cause that's a ing retarded reason.

    Oh well, whatever. This is really a non-issue.

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    so.....a country can ban who ever they like. It makes me laugh when I hear about Savage trying to sue the UK and the Home Secretary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macky View Post
    so.....a country can ban who ever they like. It makes me laugh when I hear about Savage trying to sue the UK and the Home Secretary.
    He has the right to sue if be believe he is wrongly accused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    He has the right to sue if be believe he is wrongly accused.
    If he got back in, he'd just get kicked out again sooner or later on more charges. It is really a moot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    He has the right to sue if be believe he is wrongly accused.
    He isn;t wrongly accused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5C View Post
    He has the right to sue if be believe he is wrongly accused.
    He has no grounds to sue/cannot sue. A country can do/say what it likes and if it chooses to ban him then he can whine all he likes, but it wont get him a successful lawsuit. A country could ban someone because they like teddy bears, that person still could not sue that country or the government. What court would you even hold it in? If was in the UK then it would be effectively the Queen's government suing its self.

    thankfully Jacqui Smith stood down as home secretary in June.
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    If it were up to me Michael Savage wouldn't be let out of a sewer.
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    Too often talked of, but too little known.

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    No I had forgotten it until you brought this up. Has he any particular talent to offer us?
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    If I were a brit I'd be more worried about statements like this...

    Savage still demands an apology from Smith, who recently admitted she was not up to being home secretary, saying she should have been given some training for the job before being named.

    "When I became home secretary I'd never run a major organization," she told Total Politics magazine. "I hope I did a good job but if I did it was more by luck than by any kind of development of skills. I think we should have been better trained. I think there should have been more induction."


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    He's got vee-uwes, alright. But no, no talent.



    EDIT:

    His son is the CEO of Rockstar drinks.
    But mark me well; Religion is my name;
    An angel once: but now a fury grown,
    Too often talked of, but too little known.

    -Jonathan Swift

    "There's only a few things I'd actually kill for: revenge, jewelry, Father O'Malley's weedwacker..."
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    Universal truth is not measured in mass appeal.
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