Honour killing in Canada 4 girl dead

[igotballsofsteel]

What can we do for those extremist ... im out of word ...

KINGSTON, Ont. -- As soon as Diba Masoomi learned that her sister Rona Amir Mohammed had been found dead with three younger women in a car at the bottom of the Rideau Canal, she believed she knew the motive.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2...225341-cp.html

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/canada...26251-sun.html

[bushbush]

actually 3 girls (daughters) and one elder lady (first wife of this monster).

anyways, they put up a good acting job at least, saying it was an accident. They went on TV and did all the sad interviews. I was even fooled and felt really bad them.

this really came out as a shock to many people...how brutal and cold blooded it is.

[igotballsofsteel]

actually 3 girls (daughters) and one elder lady (first wife of this monster).

anyways, they put up a good acting job at least, saying it was an accident. They went on TV and did all the sad interviews. I was even fooled and felt really bad them.

this really came out as a shock to many people...how brutal and cold blooded it is.

I was fooled also i saw the new in my mom house an she felt crying and now i see this ...

[bushbush]

I was fooled also i saw the new in my mom house an she felt crying and now i see this ...

i seriously wanna puke now...this crime is just disgusting...

[Gromovnik]

And this of course has nothing to do with islam...

[jankren]

And this of course has nothing to do with islam...

Prove it has to do with Islam.

[Watchman]

Around here one of the most common forms of homicide (aside from drunks whaling at each other with knives) is a man killing his ex-wife/girlfriend/whatever and usually her new beau to boot, usually followed by himself. Maybe the former couple's children too, if any are around.
Murdering your family and then yourself is relatively popular as well.

No, doesn't have much to do with Islam. Idiotic patriarchal values, macho "male" culture and inability to deal with life's setbakcs, OTOH...

[Gromovnik]

Prove it has to do with Islam.

read the article man...

[Captain Jin]

Islam isn't the problem here, certain variations of it are.

You can argue all day about the fact that the Quran advocates violence and has some outrageous content, but if you read the Bible you'll find no shortage of similiar bafoonery. The difference is this, look at the places most of these people that advocate/practice Sharia law? Most of them come from poor backgrounds, with little to no education.

I've had a few friends in the Marines that were Muslim, and they were normal everyday fellas. The thing is they were moderate practicioners of their faith. Look to Catholic/Christian history and you'll see that it's as guilty as Islam for absurd and barbaric treatment of others. We burned people at the stake because we thought they were witches, and you can't say religion played no role in that. The root of the problem isn't Islam, it's radical belief in religion, whether it's Islam or Christianity. It just so happens there's a lot more people that fanatical teachers can prey on with their hateful and skewed beliefs. I mean it's no secret that there's a correlation between these types of beliefs and killings and the economic background of the places they come from.

How many honor killings have been committed by a second or third generation of Muslim-Americans? I'd be interested to know. What needs to happen is the blunting of the literal and radical side of Islam, as has been taking place slowly over the years with Christianity. Hell, even in Iraq I didn't meet any 'hardcore' Muslims. I rarely saw people praying which surprised me 2005 cause I thought they prayed five times a day. But most of them view their set of beliefs in the same way that most Christians/Catholics do, they practice their faith to an extent but don't go overboard. But sadly, like I said, these regions where many Muslims are from are poor and are perfect places for hateful scum bags to preach evil messages and twist that dedication to faith into something sinister. Islam is no more evil then Christianity. That's fact.

[Denny Crane!]

Islam isn't the problem here, certain variations of it are.

You can argue all day about the fact that the Quran advocates violence and has some outrageous content, but if you read the Bible you'll find no shortage of similiar bafoonery. The difference is this, look at the places most of these people that advocate/practice Sharia law? Most of them come from poor backgrounds, with little to no education.

I've ran into these inadequate equivocations a lot recently. Your making this statement on a seeming predeliction that Christianity is good, therefore if you can prove that the Qu'ran is similar to Christianity that will make it OK.

Where as some people just don't want to be associated with something that contains advocacy of violence (you know the moral people)

I've had a few friends in the Marines that were Muslim, and they were normal everyday fellas. The thing is they were moderate practicioners of their faith. Look to Catholic/Christian history and you'll see that it's as guilty as Islam for absurd and barbaric treatment of others. We burned people at the stake because we thought they were witches, and you can't say religion played no role in that. The root of the problem isn't Islam, it's radical belief in religion, whether it's Islam or Christianity. It just so happens there's a lot more people that fanatical teachers can prey on with their hateful and skewed beliefs. I mean it's no secret that there's a correlation between these types of beliefs and killings and the economic background of the places they come from.

Marines not predisposed to violence at all.

See above for the whole christianity vs muslim affair.

How many honor killings have been committed by a second or third generation of Muslim-Americans? I'd be interested to know. What needs to happen is the blunting of the literal and radical side of Islam, as has been taking place slowly over the years with Christianity. Hell, even in Iraq I didn't meet any 'hardcore' Muslims. I rarely saw people praying which surprised me 2005 cause I thought they prayed five times a day. But most of them view their set of beliefs in the same way that most Christians/Catholics do, they practice their faith to an extent but don't go overboard. But sadly, like I said, these regions where many Muslims are from are poor and are perfect places for hateful scum bags to preach evil messages and twist that dedication to faith into something sinister. Islam is no more evil then Christianity. That's fact.

I should have read your post all the way through. So your not ruling out the idea that they're both equally evil?

What blunted the ''bad'' side of christianity was the fact that it was sidelined in mainstream society because of education and wealth.

Honour killings disgust me, oddly despite what I've said above I think culture is as much to blame as religion. I think religion is a key role in the mysoginistic patriarchical mindset that leads to these abusive environments and violence up to and including honour killings but disseminated down as far as the likes of pressure to wear burqas and niqabs. Islam is inextricably tied to this I fear, but there is certainly a large cultural influence from arabia tied in as well. It is difficult to distinguish one from another at times.

[Keravnos]

Islam isn't the problem here, certain variations of it are.

You can argue all day about the fact that the Quran advocates violence and has some outrageous content, but if you read the Bible you'll find no shortage of similiar bafoonery. The difference is this, look at the places most of these people that advocate/practice Sharia law? Most of them come from poor backgrounds, with little to no education.

I've had a few friends in the Marines that were Muslim, and they were normal everyday fellas. The thing is they were moderate practicioners of their faith. Look to Catholic/Christian history and you'll see that it's as guilty as Islam for absurd and barbaric treatment of others. We burned people at the stake because we thought they were witches, and you can't say religion played no role in that. The root of the problem isn't Islam, it's radical belief in religion, whether it's Islam or Christianity. It just so happens there's a lot more people that fanatical teachers can prey on with their hateful and skewed beliefs. I mean it's no secret that there's a correlation between these types of beliefs and killings and the economic background of the places they come from.

How many honor killings have been committed by a second or third generation of Muslim-Americans? I'd be interested to know. What needs to happen is the blunting of the literal and radical side of Islam, as has been taking place slowly over the years with Christianity. Hell, even in Iraq I didn't meet any 'hardcore' Muslims. I rarely saw people praying which surprised me 2005 cause I thought they prayed five times a day. But most of them view their set of beliefs in the same way that most Christians/Catholics do, they practice their faith to an extent but don't go overboard. But sadly, like I said, these regions where many Muslims are from are poor and are perfect places for hateful scum bags to preach evil messages and twist that dedication to faith into something sinister. Islam is no more evil then Christianity. That's fact.

I agree with this 100%. An infidel wife/girlfriend what have you, no matter how hurtful it can be if you are with her is IN NO WAY REASON FOR CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

Once you know and can be absolutely certain of her infidelity, there is open confrontation and then, usually divorce. No matter how much it hurts, no matter how much your friends may frown upon you.
Divorce her and be done with it. Let her try to ruin another's life, because ultimately, she failed to ruin yours. Realisation of infidelity is like a parachute jump's landing. Any of those you can walk away from is a good one. It might hurt, reality does, but at least you are walking away from the source of your anguish and hurt.

There is no justification for taking a life, especially of someone who once used to love and take care of you, or even worse mother your children. Deal with it, forgive her if God's grace is upon you and you find it in your heart, if you can't let her go. Killing an infidel wife could be excused using any kind of excuse but deep down in your heart, you know its' wrong, no matter how some society norms can twist it to be right. For what it's worth, I do believe she 'll get punishment enough, but no man should adminster that.

Besides, it is only after you have done away with the past that you can encounter (fruitfully) the future. It isn't like there aren't enough women on this planet now, is it?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Before someone accuses me of not knowing what I am talking about, being a Christian and all, I do know because I did have to contend with the same situation that I am writing about: It was bad, ugly, hurt like hell, but I got through it. I don't know whether I will have to deal with this again, and I am hoping I won't have to, but some things in life are just gonna happen, and it is up to us to tough it out.
A bruised, broken and battered ego is much better in the long run than a slain girlfriend/wife. No matter what the excuse.

[elusivecorn]

Prove it has to do with Islam.

This has nothing to do with Islam, it has to do with the backward culture the murderers came from.

[boofhead]

Prove it has to do with Islam.

It does according to this cro-magnon jerkoff

Al Skudsi bin Hookah , (roving reporter and foreign correspondent for The Gaza Gajeera.):
“I am very unhappy. Our way of life is under attack. And we are not fighting back. Deep down, we know that when a woman has disgraced her family, nothing will restore honor except by killing her. This is understood in Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, the Gaza strip and the West Bank. So why are we Arabs telling the Western press that honor killing is cultural, that it is not really part of Islam? Our way of life is based on maintaining our honor. And make no mistake about it: a woman does tarnish her family's honor by engaging in pre-marital sex, or by getting herself raped, when she seeks divorce and when she marries against her family's wishes. And keeping our women pure is a big part of our honor. So there's no point saying honor killing isn't really part of our religion. Honor and Islam are inextricably bound; they are what give our life meaning. A strong religion demands we choose to maintain our honor.”

[Oklop]

It does according to this cro-magnon jerkoff

Al Skudsi bin Hookah , (roving reporter and foreign correspondent for The Gaza Gajeera.):
“I am very unhappy. Our way of life is under attack. And we are not fighting back. Deep down, we know that when a woman has disgraced her family, nothing will restore honor except by killing her. This is understood in Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, Egypt, the Gaza strip and the West Bank. So why are we Arabs telling the Western press that honor killing is cultural, that it is not really part of Islam? Our way of life is based on maintaining our honor. And make no mistake about it: a woman does tarnish her family's honor by engaging in pre-marital sex, or by getting herself raped, when she seeks divorce and when she marries against her family's wishes. And keeping our women pure is a big part of our honor. So there's no point saying honor killing isn't really part of our religion. Honor and Islam are inextricably bound; they are what give our life meaning. A strong religion demands we choose to maintain our honor.”

Getting herself raped? What a brainless moron. I hope he gets himself raped.

And about "honor killing", I have read that it is more of ethnic problem rather than Islamic. Not all Muslims practice it, and even non - Muslims in those areas also practice "honor killing".

I believe that those peoples that practice this retarded "tradition" have done so before they were Muslims and it kind of "stuck" with them. While those people that did not practice it, are not known to do it now. For example Bosnian Muslims do not, and I think neither do most of the Asian Muslims.

[Carach]

Prove it has to do with Islam.

funnily enough this stuff goes on in the UK too, not always as far as honour killings. But certainly (and i can tell u from first hand experience) rape, assault, harrasment and other forms of abuse.

(my dad worked in an area heavily, to the point of majority, turkish populated, my step dad works in a similar area in north london, and i live near Luton, which is majority muslim these days)

Then we can go use examples in Russia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere to further reinforce the fact that these incidents arent isolated to crazy extremists, but is infact a way of life in many parts of the Muslim world.

So theres either a problem with Islam being so backward (which it is), or theres a problem with the way it is taught to many muslims - which is directly related to the former issue of Islam being so backward in social liberties and the like (allowing such idiotic preachings to be made in the first place, arguably correctly...despite certain dodgey parts being ignored and/or redefined by other parts of muslim community)

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So people feel free to get the racist/bigotry accusations out the way, im just a realist that doesnt sugercoat blatant problems in society..

[Norpheus]

funnily enough this stuff goes on in the UK too, not always as far as honour killings. But certainly (and i can tell u from first hand experience) rape, assault, harrasment and other forms of abuse.

Oh well that is really really really weird becuase it's the exact thing in Sweden too!

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[Carach]

Oh well that is really really really weird becuase it's the exact thing in Sweden too!

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indeed there was a thread a few years ago here at TWC on that subject too, such problems are rampant in places in scandinavia, rampant in Australia....so on so forth. but people have since forgot such research in their attempt to cover such problems up in Politically correct sugercoating.

The inevitable comeback will be some strawman about christianity or something, which doesnt actually work for various reasons.

[Holger Danske]

Prove it has to do with Islam.

Since the far majority of these types of murders are committed by and on people with an Islamic faith it's rather self-explanatory. Despite it also being attirbuted by cultural traditions.

But yeah. Islam has nothing to do with it...

[Vampire]

from the article:

Moghissi said that even though most Mideast countries have adopted European-style codes of civil law, Muslim Sharia law tends to guide personal laws and relations, with the women slotted into subservient roles.

“It means that, first of all, if she’s below 18, she needs the permission of the father [to marry],” Moghissi explained. “Once she enters that marriage, she is bound by certain regulations in terms of obedience.”

It appears that two members of the Shafi family circle fell afoul of both requirements.

In her e-mail, Masoomi said that 19-year-old Zainab had been beaten by her father and older brothers, and “had been receiving death threats.” She had carried on a romantic relationship, not approved by her father, with a young Pakistani man in Montreal.

Masoomi's sister, Rona, was seeking a divorce so that she could get on with her life.

“It must be known, in Afghani tradition, only the husbands are allowed to divorce their wives, which Mr. Shaffi [sic] had refused to do for my sister for 20 years, despite the demands of our brothers,” Masoomi wrote.

In both instances, Rona and Zainab were defying the wishes of the family patriarch.

“Defiance is a very important article in the civil code of many Muslim countries,” said Moghissi. “If a woman refuses to respect some of these legal rights of men and perhaps leaves the house without his permission, or if she gets engaged in extramarital relationships, that’s very harshly punishable by law.”

Moghissi said courts in countries such as Afghanistan will never order the woman put to death as punishment.

“Muslim law doesn’t require punishment. If it is adultery and he kills her, then if he can prove that [it was adultery], the law is quite lenient in the man’s punishment. It is somehow sanctioning the murder.”

[sarcasm]hey . . . it is their culture how dare we be intolerant!!![/sarcasm]

[Norpheus]

How could I guess these murders of females had muslims involved?

I guess its becuase im a so called Islamophob.