I'd like to know everyone's opinion.
My friend killed himself the other day.
I find it rather selfish.
I'd like to know everyone's opinion.
My friend killed himself the other day.
I find it rather selfish.
its a part of human nature. while its sad certainly, its just the way things go. some people just feel empty or emotionally destroyed and would rather not continue on. personally i dont see it as selfish but people are entitled to feel that way.
But if you kill yourself, your leaving family and friends behind.
You're putting them through grief, taking away their happiness.
Can't their problems be fixed with therapy and stuff?
Therapy doesn't help much if you don't take care of the main problem..... For example, I was bullied really bad for 1 1/2 years, for most of 7th grade and all of 8th grade. I was so bothered by it, I went to an online school (which I like going to) and now I have an hard time talking to people offline. Not because I'm anti-social, hell no, just the wounds of being bullied are so deep..... I had many bad thoughts go though my mind. Not suicide, but close to it.
The teachers and principal refused to do anything.... You can't just go to an Psych Doctor and still continue to get bullied for example, and expect any result. There has to be work between both sides for an human to get back on track.
It isn't that selfish, if the persons life was so bad the family should have helped, blame rests on them too. Of course most suicides after the age of 25 happen to people with no families, which has to be attributed as one of the main causes.
I knew a guy in school Craig Casey, he had abusive parents but managed to be emancipated. He lived alone in a horrible apartment where he hung himself, it took over a week until a neighbour complained about a smell until they found a half decomposed corpse riddled with maggots and rats eating the flesh that had fallen to the floor. I can't think of a worse way to die because later we found out that his neck didnn't break and he strangled slowly to death. He was only 17 and his parents didn't even go to his funeral. Even some of his "friends" don't remember him anymore.
That is the saddest story I've ever experienced, and if I were in his position I can't honestly say I would have done it differently.
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Therapy isnt like prescribing antibiotics to an illness. The human mind is unstable, fragile and it has emotions that purposefully defy reason. Some people just cant be "fixed" and life is rough, it's not surprising people would be willing to end it.
It really depends on the situation. The teenager who just has a bunch of angst is more than likely selfish. The 80 year old man who has lived his time and has no real close loved ones anymore is a bit more understandable.
Last edited by gambit; July 24, 2009 at 12:13 AM.
Originally Posted by Hunter S. Thompson
I've had some serious bouts of depression. At some point the depression itself can drown your ability to think about others and the fact that pain takes time. Suicide can be a very consuming idea, different people do it for different reasons.
People who choose suicide later in life like to prevent the experience of terminal illness and such have right to choose this.
People who are young and commit suicide, I would not say it is selfish. This may seem like a semantical difference but depression and other mental illness can reinforce a self-absorbed view of the world and life. Too many people are impulsive and choose to avoid the pain, memories and what not. The process of therapy is different for everyone, some people can pop out of their problems in a short time and others will never get real relief. Unfortunately suicide does leave behind a family and friends. Anger at your friends choice is normal but I see it that people who choose suicide at a young age are not selfish but are making a mistake. They have not given life a chance yet, some people get lucky and do find happiness however fleeting it may be at times.
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you have to put yourself in the situation of the person who killed themself....some people its completely justified (in my opinion) and then with others, i agree. are being selfish IE:OH MY MOM WONT LET ME TAKE THE CAR OUT TO A PARTY THAT IM GOING TO GET WASTED AT!! WAAHH!! *killself*
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It is selfish, very selfish. I also find it cowardly. There will always be something to turn everything around. People don't value life as much anymore.
Well it depends on why the person kills him/herself dosen't it? Do they do it because they are depressed or for a manly reason, like killing yourself during the Nuremberg trials to avoid the gallows, or in a Kamikaze way? Or how about people that truly don't have any reason to live, or do it to save/help loved ones from something? Either way I don't have that low opinion of suicide mainly for my nihilist way of thinking.
That is making quite an assumption about people. Bravery is antithetical to suicidal ideation after awhile. You can characterize it so during the begining process of people becoming suicidal but after a certain period of time whatever causes people to reach such a state as this it takes on a different nature. One becomes delusion and thought is pathologial, it is a sickness. Bravery has nothing to do with that level of pathology.
Tbh I have been in a rough spot in my life where I contemplated suicide everyday. Two things kept me from even trying it; love of the people around me, and me being an atheist(we only have one life, and theres nothing after death, and that scares me).
Of course there are different circumstances. Most of the ones I hear about though, includes young adolescents or adults that do not think of the consequences. Life just "sucks" for them. They only think of other people missing them, maybe a memorial in the yearbook, people taking time away from their lives to think about them, and not that once it's over, they won't be here to see that. In this way it is selfish and cowardly.
But as is stated there are different cases, in which my opinion varies.
Hope that makes sense, I'm tired![]()
I just think it is cowardly, unless they have schizophrenia. Any person who lost their job and is forced to get social welfare and then commits suicide is cowardly.
As Gambit said, the wise bloke he is <3, is true. If an 80 year old man does it is easier to understand, still isn't the right thing to do.
I 100% understand why someone might do it.
It is also one of the most selfish acts that one could commit. In order to end the pain, they instead create terrible pain in those around them.
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I doubt that if your seriously contemplating suicide you will be thinking about other people's feelings. You'd be soed up and just want a way out that it would seem like the right thing to do, regardless of the response.
It is wrong to do suicide, when you don't know what comes next after this life.
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I put it down to a serious mental illness, unless say they're dying of a painful terminal disease or something of that nature.
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Personally, the people shouldn't do it. It may be bad, but others are worse off and hundreds of times happier. If they would try to change their life around, maybe it would work some.
I dunno, it just seems dumb to me.