A prespective of a moderate ex Republican.

**B5C** · July 22, 2009, 04:49 PM

The past few weeks I have been thinking about my beliefs. The 2008 election has been the crossing point for my support of my old Republican party. During the GOP primary I supported Duncan Hunter. I like him for his pro-military stance and his tough anti-illegal immigration stance, but he never got the support and left early on. (I was extremely happy that his son won his father seat.) Then I supported John McCain because he also fitted my moderate stance on some social issues. I believe McCain with the right VP would have a change to beating Obama. He had the right stuff moderate and pro-military. Yet he had to choice Gov. Palin. I never really like Palin in the beginning. I just viewed her as just a tool to bring more far right voters too McCain like Biden was the tool for Obama for the "lack of experience" problem. This is when I started to think the GOP is no more.

With Obama and now the super majority control by the Dems. The GOP has no chance of getting their voice heard. Obama now has a clear path to change America to the wrong direction and the GOP is unable to stop him. Currently where I live was once a Republican stronghold in a liberal Washington State, but now Skagit County is turning a bit blue. The Skagit County GOP has currently had to shut it doors and move to a one room office while the Dems have a major office with entire support of the local community.

Why is this happing to the grand old party? It's the youth. We are in a new age. America is becoming less conservative and less religious. Which I don't see as a huge problem. We can't have ultra conservatives telling me that we can't do this because it's unmoral. I have a couple of gay friends who I wish to see to have civil unions. Yet, the ultra conservatives have told me that it's unmoral. They also told me that pot is un-moral and dangerous, but they have nothing to back that up.

Did I sound like im turning into a moderate Democrat? No, even Democrats can be radical. Obama has told America that Government is here to help and solve everyone problems. Alot of people are hooking this like fish to a worm without realizing what is at the end of the line. The United States government is like water. We need water to live. If we have less water or no water at all we will get sick and die. We can also die for having too much water in our system. Right now Obama believes that having too much water is a good way to help a person with dehydration. The best way for America to be stable is have a government that is in the middle. I do not mind helping people in need with government programs. Government should help the environment without being like Al Gore. Government need to break up some buisnessnes if they become too big, just like Teddy did.

America has no middle voice. America needs a new party to have our middle voice again. As of now I'm giving my support to the local modern Whigs. Until the government goes back to the middle. I will still have to chose the lesser of two evils.

If you are curious about the Modern Whigs and it's issues here is a link: http://www.modernwhig.org/issues.html

**manofarms89** · July 22, 2009, 05:17 PM

exactly what kind of stances do you hold make you a moderate?

**B5C** · July 22, 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by manofarms89

exactly what kind of stances do you hold make you a moderate?

Legalize marijuana it does not harm anyone, but hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine should be still banned.

Civil Unions for all, but it has to be a state option and the federal should have no say.

I don't mid spending more taxes for people who are in need, but the federal government should have no say on providing universal health care. If the states want to create their own insurance. Let them.

For abortions it's my personal belief that a abortion is ok only when the life of the mother is threaten, rape, and incest. Also note that I believe the father should have a say. If the father wants to care for the baby instead of it getting aborted. He should have the right for ownership as long the mother agrees as well.

Religion has no place in government and schools, but it needs to have common sense approach. Let schools and other government buildings keep secular Christmas trees and such. Also Religion should have no place in school with the exception of Religious studies classes.

I am more of an hawk in foreign policy. Support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Also I support the Whig party stance of keeping perminate bases in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Originally Posted by Яome kb8

I pretty much identify with you there, except for the ''taking over businesses which are too big'' bit.

In history it was always the Right which was capable of being the middle ground, due to the inherent flexibility of Conservatism. Reform in order to preserve, and never changing for the sake of change, but changing when genuinely needed. But today, ''Conservatives'' have been completely gripped by dogma, and blind allegiance to dogma and philosophy. They now resemble 18th century Liberals. Undying loyalty and belief in the Free market being the most prominent belief. So strong is that obsession to that particular piece of dogma, the Right now attracts the most vehemently anti-religious folk ever. The idea that if you for a minute diverse away from the ''party line'' you are utterly condemned and dumped.

Sorry I when I meant by taking over is the government should have the right of trust-busting.

**manofarms89** · July 22, 2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by B5C

Legalize marijuana it does not harm anyone, but hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine should be still banned.

Civil Unions for all, but it has to be a state option and the federal should have no say.

I don't mid spending more taxes for people who are in need, but the federal government should have no say on providing universal health care. If the states want to create their own insurance. Let them.

For abortions it's my personal belief that a abortion is ok only when the life of the mother is threaten, rape, and incest. Also note that I believe the father should have a say. If the father wants to care for the baby instead of it getting aborted. He should have the right for ownership as long the mother agrees as well.

Religion has no place in government and schools, but it needs to have common sense approach. Let schools and other government buildings keep secular Christmas trees and such. Also Religion should have no place in school with the exception of Religious studies classes.

I am more of an hawk in foreign policy. Support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Also I support the Whig party stance of keeping perminate bases in Iraqi Kurdistan.

i agree with you on most of these. your stance on abortion is quite interesting. what I don't agree with is the military. America should pull out of most of our bases.

**Barry Goldwater** · July 22, 2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by B5C

Legalize marijuana it does not harm anyone, but hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine should be still banned.

Civil Unions for all, but it has to be a state option and the federal should have no say.

I don't mid spending more taxes for people who are in need, but the federal government should have no say on providing universal health care. If the states want to create their own insurance. Let them.

For abortions it's my personal belief that a abortion is ok only when the life of the mother is threaten, rape, and incest. Also note that I believe the father should have a say. If the father wants to care for the baby instead of it getting aborted. He should have the right for ownership as long the mother agrees as well.

Religion has no place in government and schools, but it needs to have common sense approach. Let schools and other government buildings keep secular Christmas trees and such. Also Religion should have no place in school with the exception of Religious studies classes.

I am more of an hawk in foreign policy. Support the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Also I support the Whig party stance of keeping perminate bases in Iraqi Kurdistan.

Wow, we agree on pretty much everything except foreign policy

+rep

I'm running into the same kind of problems, while my family has been ardent Republicans since Ted Roosevelt I feel like switching to some other party, any (sane, moderate to right) party, due to the overwhelming influence of the borderline-reactionaries there. I've opted to go with the Constitution Party, at least people have heard of it

**B5C** · July 22, 2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mister Borat

I've opted to go with the Constitution Party, at least people have heard of it

Well the Constitution Party is mainly Jesus first party.

-Abortion 100% illegal
-Isolationist
-Gambling Illegal
-Restrict legal immergration
- Porn illegal
- States of the right to leave the US

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

**Каие** · July 22, 2009, 06:09 PM

I pretty much identify with you there, except for the ''taking over businesses which are too big'' bit.

In history it was always the Right which was capable of being the middle ground, due to the inherent flexibility of Conservatism. Reform in order to preserve, and never changing for the sake of change, but changing when genuinely needed. But today, ''Conservatives'' have been completely gripped by dogma, and blind allegiance to dogma and philosophy. They now resemble 18th century Liberals. Undying loyalty and belief in the Free market being the most prominent belief. So strong is that obsession to that particular piece of dogma, the Right now attracts the most vehemently anti-religious folk ever. The idea that if you for a minute diverse away from the ''party line'' you are utterly condemned and dumped.

**Darth Red** · July 22, 2009, 07:42 PM

I had made the major mistake to think that the Whigs were dead. To me that link and your soliloquy sounds an awful lot like the Republican ideals that I had believed the party to be in the essence of Thomas Jefferson's America. I couldn't agree more that todays Republicans are vastly different from those GOP. I would also agree with your analysis on John McCain and Sarah Palin, I was hopling for Mitt Romney, myself, to at very least, gain the Vice Presidential nominee. While I would never dispute John McCain's contributions to this country, I had thought he was a weak candidate at best. I can offer that this heath care plan is eventually going through and say that here in Massachusetts it was signed into law, by Mitt Romney. I am out six hundred and eighty seven dollars this year because I can't afford heath insurance. So the brightest idea the Commonweath has is to take more money from me? With the numbers that I hear the Obama administration is throwing around makes me now gratefull that Gov. Romney was in office to at least get some concessions from the powerful Liberal party here. This bill was going through one way or another, they could have overridden his vetos with more that enough support on both the House and the Senate. In conclusion I dont know if a three party system can ever really work or get the minimun 270 electoral votes, but I am all for the Whigs usurping power from "Republicans" and insilling more common sense to government

**manofarms89** · July 22, 2009, 08:18 PM

I am glad to see that many republicans are turning to more moderate parties. I for one am planing on leaving the democratic party, but for the opposite reason: it has become too moderate, and is no longer a liberal party in my view. hopefully this will be a growing movement among younger voters and we will see the rise of multiple parties in the US

**Phier** · July 22, 2009, 09:10 PM

With our current system a strong third parties only ability is to insure the party with the most opposite view will win, even with minority support.

Republicans have pissed me off too, but any vote outside will be simply a protest vote when I know its a lost cause anyways, just to get their attention.

**B5C** · July 22, 2009, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Phier

With our current system a strong third parties only ability is to insure the party with the most opposite view will win, even with minority support.

Republicans have pissed me off too, but any vote outside will be simply a protest vote when I know its a lost cause anyways, just to get their attention.

I will still vote Republican if that candidate services my interests. They will be some good Democrats and Republicans who I will vote for.

**Darth Red** · July 22, 2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Phier

With our current system a strong third parties only ability is to insure the party with the most opposite view will win, even with minority support.

Republicans have pissed me off too, but any vote outside will be simply a protest vote when I know its a lost cause anyways, just to get their attention.

I agree with third parties may not be the best scenerio either. That would constantly leave the election up to congress to decide every 4 years when no one person gets the 270 electorial votes. That said I think if more Conservitives, myself included, read up more on the Whig party we would recognize that perhaps the "Republican" qualities that we once thought were staples of our party are no longer in line with most Republicans today.

**Ó Cathasaigh** · July 22, 2009, 10:29 PM

Pledging support for a party is the most dangerous approach to take my friend.

I tend to vote for Republicans, but I have and will again vote for Democrats and Independents.

Vote the man (or woman) not the party.

**~~spiderman101~~** · July 23, 2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ó Cathasaigh

Pledging support for a party is the most dangerous approach to take my friend.

I tend to vote for Republicans, but I have and will again vote for Democrats and Independents.

Vote the man (or woman) not the party.

Smart man.

**Каие** · July 23, 2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ó Cathasaigh

Pledging support for a party is the most dangerous approach to take my friend.

I tend to vote for Republicans, but I have and will again vote for Democrats and Independents.

Vote the man (or woman) not the party.

Not in England.

**Jabberwock** · July 23, 2009, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by B5C

If you are curious about the Modern Whigs and it's issues here is a link: http://www.modernwhig.org/issues.html

I like them but I don't like how they position themselves. They should create their own substance and character, letting the member-base and their stance on issues decide what they are instead just saying we are the "middle-ground" party taking a little bit from both dems and reps.