Health a right or a privilege?

[Da Skinna]

Interesting and intriguing contrast between the new Surgeon General of America and a few American CEOs of American health insurance companies.



Is this even about rights and privileges?

It seems more about friction and moving and rock and roll. With lots of money. The money's the lube, the people do the rockin' and rollin' but the money's lube. It's the lubricant. And no matter how much the people want the rockin and not the rollin they can't have the rockin cuz they got no lubricant.

Money and politics. Voila.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

A 5% profit? That's pathetic. I bet our new Surgeon General did better than that.

[Da Skinna]

What's 5% in money terms? And prove she did better. Prove it.

[Phier]

But more important, she's a country doctor, a family physician along the Gulf Coast of Alabama, serving the poor and uninsured. After Hurricane Katrina destroyed her clinic a second time, she mortgaged her own home to rebuild it. The day it was to reopen, a fire burned the clinic to the ground. Moving to a trailer, Dr. Benjamin and her staff never missed a day of work. Dr. Benjamin will no doubt bring that same ethic to the fight for health care reform.

Something about this is so fitting for what they want to do to health care in America.

Underpaid doctors, working in a trailer.

[The Devil's Sergeant]

What's 5% in money terms? And prove she did better. Prove it.

$208 million in earnings off of $4 billion in revenue is a 5.2% profit, which is pretty pedestrian for a Fortune 500 company and about average for the industry.

As for the SG, does she have a disclosure statement on her business?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Interesting and intriguing contrast between the new Surgeon General of America and a few American CEOs of American health insurance companies.



Is this even about rights and privileges?

It seems more about friction and moving and rock and roll. With lots of money. The money's the lube, the people do the rockin' and rollin' but the money's lube. It's the lubricant. And no matter how much the people want the rockin and not the rollin they can't have the rockin cuz they got no lubricant.

Money and politics. Voila.

It depends where you live.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Doctors in the ghastly socialised wasteland of the UK do very well. A consultant could earn up to £175,000.

[Каие]

Doctors in the ghastly socialised wasteland of the UK do very well. A consultant could earn up to £175,000.

Stalinist propaganda, it is a well known fact that Doctors are enslaved to work in dark-light conditions, with tooth picks and plastic knives, for the same wage as the cleaner in the NHS.

[Phier]

Doctors in the ghastly socialised wasteland of the UK do very well. A consultant could earn up to £175,000.

Its always important when making a one line drive by post, that you are sure to pick the highest number and present that as if it was important to the discussion after you google 'doctor salary UK'.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Its always important when making a one line drive by post, that you are sure to pick the highest number and present that as if it was important to the discussion after you google 'doctor salary UK'.

Consultant, salary, actually. And way to shoot yourself in the foot because the same page declares the salary for even a GP is a far from modest minimum of £50,000. To put that in perspective if you earn more than £31,000 in the UK then you are in the top 25% of wage earners. Doctors in the UK are wealthy, whatever way you put it.

[Phier]

Consultant, salary, actually. And way to shoot yourself in the foot because the same page declares the salary for even a GP is a far from modest minimum of £50,000. To put that in perspective if you earn more than £31,000 in the UK then you are in the top 25% of wage earners. Doctors in the UK are wealthy, whatever way you put it.

Not sure how that shoots me in the foot. You simply picked the highest number of the NHS web site, which was just to exaggerate your point. Being doctors got a 20% raise in 2006 in part to keep them from leaving the country, I'm sure it pays pretty well these days compared to say a bus driver or chef.

Glad to see those wait times are improving, kinda, sorta,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7965785.stm

[removeduser_487563287433]

Not sure how that shoots me in the foot. You simply picked the highest number of the NHS web site, which was just to exaggerate your point. Being doctors got a 20% raise in 2006 in part to keep them from leaving the country, I'm sure it pays pretty well these days compared to say a bus driver or chef.

Glad to see those wait times are improving, kinda, sorta,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7965785.stm

Why wouldn't I pick the highest number? How does it change the fact that even if you are among the lower earning doctors (ie a Junior doctor in his first three years) you are earning a very good wage? I mean, I know that you get a fed a lot of propaganda about the NHS by people who oppose universal health care in the USA, but really, doctors in the UK are very well off.

[Da Skinna]

I think the worst product of the Cold War was convincing people that human rights was a partisan issue.

[Каие]

Especially GPs, for the work they do.

[nopasties]

Especially GPs, for the work they do.

Because we are not communists General Practioners salaries lag behind Nurse Practioners. Specialists make all the money over here. Who wants a government bureaucrat when you can have a private company bureaucrat getting between you and your doctor.....

[Ulyaoth]

Healthcare is a privilege.

[Georgy Zhukov]

I applaud him for his ability to step down.

[Erik]

Like everything else: it depends on your countries specific laws if it's a right or a privilege.

And in case you might ask: no, there are no "natural rights" - that's just English nazionalistic BS to say their laws are better than those of France.

[Da Skinna]

By picking the highest number of successes in the United States system, is that not the same principle as claiming the highest number salary for the British system?

The United States has generated the best system-----for those who can afford it. Otherwise vaffanculo. When 1/6 of the population has no insurance (and don't BS about how they want it that way) and that half of all bankruptcies are medical-based, there's something wrong.

Americans deserve better, but yet there is still millions who are apologists for the current predatory culture of capitalist health-care.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I just said the lowest salary for a GP, too. It's high. I don't see your point.