A question about generals and modding

**Vhaelor** · July 18, 2009, 06:15 PM

Righto let's see. I'm working on a small experiment here that I wanted to try. A mod that I'm playing has removed the Family tree for the faction by going into descr_sm_factions.txt and setting the family tree to Teutonic, I changed it back to "yes" and the family tree reappeared again.

However

The general has no wife, no sons, no heirs or relatives - where do I add/change/remove this? Would like to know as I want to try a few things here on my own.

Best regards,
Aru

p.s
yes I've tried to find a suitable answer on google etc but it's hard to find anything that would specifically help me with thiss

**Aikanár** · July 18, 2009, 06:24 PM

Do you mean your starting generals or emerging ones?
Relatives of your starting faction leader must be named in the descr_strat.txt.

For example

Code:

character Elrond, named character, male, leader, age 50, x 185, y 250, portrait Elrond ;imladris
traits Factionleader 1 , noldor 1 , lived_ages 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , GoodCommander 2 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , PublicFaith 2 , MathematicsSkill 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Just 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , KindRuler 2 , BattleChivalry 2
ancillaries high_king_noldor, vilya, leader_council, librarian, lord_imladris
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer2    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Elladan, named character, male, heir, age 21, x 60, y 252, portrait Elladan ;mithlond
traits Factionheir 1 , noldor 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Brave 1 , Loyal 1 , StrategyChivalry 1
ancillaries lord_mithlond
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Glorfindel, named character, male, age 30, x 31, y 248, portrait Glorfindel ;forlindon
traits Reincarnate 1 , noldor 1 , house_golden_flower 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 1 , Just 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , BattleChivalry 1
ancillaries troops_helf , asfaloth , lord_golden_flower
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer2    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Elrohir, named character, male, age 20, x 39, y 232, portrait Elrohir ;harlindon
traits noldor 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Loyal 1
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Aemornion, named character, male, age 25, x 66, y 238 ;emyn beraid
traits sindar 1 , house_cirdan 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
ancillaries relative_cirdan
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Maldor, admiral, male, age 38, x 34, y 237
army
unit  dromon  exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Aransadorien, spy, male, age 26, x 57, y 248
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1 
character_record Celebrian, female, age 40, dead 445, never_a_leader
character_record Arwen, female, age 15, alive, never_a_leader
relative  Elrond, Celebrian, Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen, end

That's the example for the egypt aka High Elven faction.
As you can see your FactionLeader has to be named first.
Then add all generals you want to add.
The last line is crucial for the familytree, take notice that you can not have more than 4 sons or daughters for 1 character.
It is read: FactionLeader, "tab" FactionLeader'sWife, "tab" OldestChild, "tab" SecondOldestChild, "tab" &c., "tab" end

**Vhaelor** · July 18, 2009, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

Do you mean your starting generals or emerging ones?
Relatives of your starting faction leader must be named in the descr_strat.txt.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

For example

Code:

character Elrond, named character, male, leader, age 50, x 185, y 250, portrait Elrond ;imladris
traits Factionleader 1 , noldor 1 , lived_ages 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , GoodCommander 2 , NaturalMilitarySkill 1 , PublicFaith 2 , MathematicsSkill 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Just 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , KindRuler 2 , BattleChivalry 2
ancillaries high_king_noldor, vilya, leader_council, librarian, lord_imladris
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer2    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Elladan, named character, male, heir, age 21, x 60, y 252, portrait Elladan ;mithlond
traits Factionheir 1 , noldor 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Brave 1 , Loyal 1 , StrategyChivalry 1
ancillaries lord_mithlond
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Glorfindel, named character, male, age 30, x 31, y 248, portrait Glorfindel ;forlindon
traits Reincarnate 1 , noldor 1 , house_golden_flower 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 2 , ReligionStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 1 , Just 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , BattleChivalry 1
ancillaries troops_helf , asfaloth , lord_golden_flower
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer2    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Elrohir, named character, male, age 20, x 39, y 232, portrait Elrohir ;harlindon
traits noldor 1 , house_elrond 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , Loyal 1
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Aemornion, named character, male, age 25, x 66, y 238 ;emyn beraid
traits sindar 1 , house_cirdan 1 , NightBattleCapable 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , ReligionStarter 1 
ancillaries relative_cirdan
army
unit  Elf Nobel Mount    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit  Elf Archer    exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Maldor, admiral, male, age 38, x 34, y 237
army
unit  dromon  exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
character Aransadorien, spy, male, age 26, x 57, y 248
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1 
character_record Celebrian, female, age 40, dead 445, never_a_leader
character_record Arwen, female, age 15, alive, never_a_leader
relative  Elrond, Celebrian, Elladan, Elrohir, Arwen, end

That's the example for the egypt aka High Elven faction.
As you can see your FactionLeader has to be named first.
Then add all generals you want to add.
The last line is crucial for the familytree, take notice that you can not have more than 4 sons or daughters for 1 character.
It is read: FactionLeader, "tab" FactionLeader'sWife, "tab" OldestChild, "tab" SecondOldestChild, "tab" &c., "tab" end

I meant for existing ones

not emerging. I figured it was somewhere in descr_strat.txt. as it seemed logical but I didn't know what set of lines was important except that it was somewhere revolved around my faction leader

edit again:

I tried adding a wife called Aglareth (was in the name-list, figured I couldn't take a name that wasn't in the descr_names.txt)
My relative tree looks like this:
Note: yes I am trying to edit a few things for myself in the Second Age conversion for TATW released recently by Finarfin, am experimenting as I said.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Code:

character    Elendil, named character, male, leader, age 40, x 101, y 264, portrait Elendil         ;Annuminas
traits ReligionStarter 1, KingNumenorBlood 1, GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1, PoliticsSkill 2
ancillaries king_arnor, sceptre_annuminas, elendilmir, narsil, ring_barahir
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fountain Guard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Noruinivon, named character, male, heir, age 40, x 114, y 272                ;Fornost
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1, Just 1
ancillaries commander_fornost
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Thorondir, named character, male, age 36, x 113, y 234                     ;Cardolan
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1, Brave 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Nemir, named character, male, age 35, x 133, y 237                    ;Staddle
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, Just 1, HaleAndHearty 1 
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Tathar, named character, male, age 30, x 140, y 252                     ;Weather Hills
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, KindRuler 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Melthor, named character, male, age 28, x 91, y 236                     ;2Fornost
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodCommander 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Beleg, named character, male, age 25, x 147, y 273                     ;Ettenmoors
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1
ancillaries arnor_border
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Handir, named character, male, age 24, x 119, y 248                     ;Bree
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Arassuil, named character, male, age 22, x 85, y 292                     ;Evendim
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, PublicFaith 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Iorlas, named character, male, age 21, x 157, y 242                     ;Mitheithel
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, Just 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Iorthon, named character, male, age 17, x 141, y 216                     ;Lone-lands (Swanfleet)
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

character    Ingold, spy, male, age 24, x 115, y 256
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1
character_record Aglareth, female, age 40, never_a_leader
relative Elendil, Aglareth, Noruinivon, Beleg, Iorthon, end

However here's theproblem: When I enter the game and check the Family tree, my faction leader is not listed as a faction leader but "General", with no spouse and no children/relatives. I believe he has to be given a Faction Leader trait for the family tree to work, correct? If so, where do I change/add this?

best regards,
Aru

p.s
None of these changes are made for public use, I am just curious as to how to add a family tree. Not trying to rip off Finarfin's work or make additions for his mod without his permission - again, this is only for my own personal use and fun.

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

However here's theproblem: When I enter the game and check the Family tree, my faction leader is not listed as a faction leader but "General", with no spouse and no children/relatives. I believe he has to be given a Faction Leader trait for the family tree to work, correct? If so, where do I change/add this?

Right! That's exactly why he's not listed as your FactionLeader and the reason why his wife won't show up, besides what you mentiond about the DN is because you missed to mark her as alive

The changes are marked red

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Code:

character    Elendil, named character, male, leader, age 40, x 101, y 264, portrait Elendil         ;Annuminas
traits Factionleader 1 , ReligionStarter 1, KingNumenorBlood 1, GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1, PoliticsSkill 2
ancillaries king_arnor, sceptre_annuminas, elendilmir, narsil, ring_barahir
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fountain Guard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Noruinivon, named character, male, heir, age 40, x 114, y 272                ;Fornost
traits Factionheir 1 , ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1, Just 1
ancillaries commander_fornost
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Thorondir, named character, male, age 36, x 113, y 234                     ;Cardolan
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1, Brave 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Nemir, named character, male, age 35, x 133, y 237                    ;Staddle
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, Just 1, HaleAndHearty 1 
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Tathar, named character, male, age 30, x 140, y 252                     ;Weather Hills
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, KindRuler 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Melthor, named character, male, age 28, x 91, y 236                     ;2Fornost
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodCommander 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Beleg, named character, male, age 25, x 147, y 273                     ;Ettenmoors
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1
ancillaries arnor_border
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Handir, named character, male, age 24, x 119, y 248                     ;Bree
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, GoodAttacker 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Arassuil, named character, male, age 22, x 85, y 292                     ;Evendim
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, PublicFaith 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Iorlas, named character, male, age 21, x 157, y 242                     ;Mitheithel
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1, Just 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Iorthon, named character, male, age 17, x 141, y 216                     ;Lone-lands (Swanfleet)
traits ReligionStarter 1, LoyaltyStarter 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Ingold, spy, male, age 24, x 115, y 256
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1
character_record Aglareth, female, age 40, alive, never_a_leader
relative Elendil, Aglareth, Noruinivon, Beleg, Iorthon, end

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

Right! That's exactly why he's not listed as your FactionLeader and the reason why his wife won't show up, besides what you mentiond about the DN is because you missed to mark her as alive

The changes are marked red

Hmm, this is odd. I did all those changes, but whenever I seem to add the Factionleader 1 line to Elendil, I get a few issues:

1: He's still listed only as a general and not my Faction Leader
2: He has no heirs, no wife, no relatives
3: He has no traits whatsoever

4: His listed heir, Nourinivir (ugh...amazingly retarded name tbh..will have to change that eventually), has no traits either, it seems all traits that are listed behind Factionleader 1 and Factionheir 1 get removed :/

Really do appriciate your time and help on this Fëanor, hope you can shed some light on this. I am new to this kind of modding, so every bit of info and tips are appriciated

EDIT:
I noticed that if I put the Factionleader 1 and Factionheir 1 traits last in the list e.g:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

The general(s) get all their other traits, but not the Faction Leader/Faction heir trait.
When I open the export_VnVs.txt in the Textfolder, the Factionleader trait is listed here as Faction_leader and Faction heir is listed as Apparent_Heir

When I changed the Factionleader 1 and Factionheir 1 to Faction_leader and Apparent_Heir, the game loads up but...no family tree, no faction leader, no faction heir, and no traits for the two generals.

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 04:00 AM

What axnsan says!

Besides that:

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

1: He's still listed only as a general and not my Faction Leader
3: He has no traits whatsoever

4: His listed heir, Nourinivir (ugh...amazingly retarded name tbh..will have to change that eventually), has no traits either, it seems all traits that are listed behind Factionleader 1 and Factionheir 1 get removed :/

Are you sure the trait-lines read like this:

Code:

traits Factionleader 1 , all other traits
traits Factionheir 1 , all other traits

Edit: LOOL ok
Uhm, your heir is as old as his father

that can't work mate, the father has to be at least 16 years older then his children

Hence you've to edit the age of Nourinivir and Beleg; or you've to make your Factionleader and his spouse older

Edit2: ah and you've to asign portraits to your other generals

**axnsan** · July 19, 2009, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

When I open the export_VnVs.txt in the Textfolder, the Factionleader trait is listed here as Faction_leader and Faction heir is listed as Apparent_Heir

When I changed the Factionleader 1 and Factionheir 1 to Faction_leader and Apparent_Heir, the game loads up but...no family tree, no faction leader, no faction heir, and no traits for the two generals.

No, those are the trait tresholds. The trait itself is Factionleader and Factionheir

**axnsan** · July 19, 2009, 03:41 AM

Try deleting map.rwm. Also try separating the relative names with tab.
And leave a blank line between the spy line, the character record line and the relative line

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 04:21 AM

You missed the space between 1 and the period!
The syntax is: traitname_traitlevel_,_
_ indicates a space or tab

Code:

character    Elendil, named character, male, leader, age 52, x 101, y 264, portrait Elendil         ;Annuminas
traits Factionleader 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , KingNumenorBlood 1 , GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , PoliticsSkill 2
ancillaries king_arnor, sceptre_annuminas, elendilmir, narsil, ring_barahir
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 2 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Fountain Guard                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Noruinivon, named character, male, heir, age 31, x 114, y 272                ;Fornost
traits Factionheir 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1 , Just 1
ancillaries commander_fornost
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Thorondir, named character, male, age 28, x 113, y 234                     ;Cardolan
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Nemir, named character, male, age 28, x 133, y 237                    ;Staddle
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , Just 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Tathar, named character, male, age26, x 140, y 252                     ;Weather Hills
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , KindRuler 1
army 
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Melthor, named character, male, age 24, x 91, y 236                     ;2Fornost
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Beleg, named character, male, age 24, x 147, y 273                     ;Ettenmoors
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1
ancillaries arnor_border
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Handir, named character, male, age 22, x 119, y 248                     ;Bree
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodAttacker 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Arassuil, named character, male, age 22, x 85, y 292                     ;Evendim
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , PublicFaith 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Iorlas, named character, male, age 21, x 157, y 242                     ;Mitheithel
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1 , Just 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Militia Archers                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Iorthon, named character, male, age 22, x 141, y 216                     ;Lone-lands (Swanfleet)
traits ReligionStarter 1 , LoyaltyStarter 1
army
unit        Gondor Bodyguard                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit        Dismounted Kofm                exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
 
character    Ingold, spy, male, age 24, x 115, y 256
traits NaturalSpySkill 1 , GoodSpy 1
 
character_record Aglareth, female, age 49, alive, never_a_leader
relative Elendil, Aglareth, Noruinivon, Beleg, end

If it works fine for you without assigning portraits than no need to add'em

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

To be edited

You missed the space between 1 and the period!

Not sure I understand what you mean here

the 1 and the period?

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 04:33 AM

my line

Code:

traits Factionleader 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , KingNumenorBlood 1 , GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , PoliticsSkill 2

Code:

traits Factionleader 1, ReligionStarter 1, KingNumenorBlood 1, GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1, PoliticsSkill 2

your line

Can you see the differences?

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

my line

Code:

traits Factionleader 1 , ReligionStarter 1 , KingNumenorBlood 1 , GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1 , PoliticsSkill 2

Code:

traits Factionleader 1, ReligionStarter 1, KingNumenorBlood 1, GoodCommander 2 , PublicFaith 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , Brave 2 , Just 1 , KindRuler 1 , HaleAndHearty 1, PoliticsSkill 2

your line

Can you see the differences?

Definately, saw it and changed it right before you posted your example here

Let's see if this helps a bit.

Inquiry:
There's a script in this mod that sets Isildur as the Faction leader if Elendil dies, and Isildur loses his traits/ancills as the King of Gondor but gains those of the High King of Arnor - does this interfere with my plans of adding a family tree for Arnor that I am trying to accomplish here?

TO BE EDITED for results of those changes Fëanor suggested

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

Inquiry:
There's a script in this mod that sets Isildur as the Faction leader if Elendil dies, and Isildur loses his traits/ancills as the King of Gondor but gains those of the High King of Arnor - does this interfere with my plans of adding a family tree for Arnor that I am trying to accomplish here?

I don't think so, that would be very strange, but one can never be sure unless one has seen the script, just show it

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

I don't think so, that would be very strange, but one can never be sure unless one has seen the script, just show it

As I said, as I am new to this kind of thing, you'll forgive me if I'm being excessively noob (

) and ask a bunch of retarded questions at times - but where would I find such a script?

And ugh, no effect in adding those spaces for the syntax that you showed.

Edit: Getting a bit clueless here
I still don't understand why the Faction Leader trait won't show, and why it nullifies every other trait...have I forgotten to edit some other file and hence why it nullifies it? Is there some other file that assigns traits to a general/character?

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

As I said, as I am new to this kind of thing, you'll forgive me if I'm being excessively noob (

) and ask a bunch of retarded questions at times - but where would I find such a script?

No problem mate

campaign_script.txt (but I do not believe this causes the problems!)

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

And ugh, no effect in adding those spaces for the syntax that you showed.

Ok lets go to the roots:
What changes did you made to your original descr_strat.txt?

**axnsan** · July 19, 2009, 04:55 AM

More important, what faction did you use for Arnor?

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by axnsan

More important, what faction did you use for Arnor?

Again: this is not my mod. Finarfin used Turks for Arnor

the list of changes and the original descr_strat.txt lines can be seen at the bottom of the previous page

**axnsan** · July 19, 2009, 05:16 AM

There are a lot of named characters that are not related to eachother in anyway. If you have a named character I think he must be in the family tree...

**Vhaelor** · July 19, 2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by axnsan

There are a lot of named characters that are not related to eachother in anyway. If you have a named character I think he must be in the family tree...

so what would the solution be? Remove the "named" part behind every general I don't want in my family tree?

**Aikanár** · July 19, 2009, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

so what would the solution be? Remove the "named" part behind every general I don't want in my family tree?

Definitly not!
In every faction of the vanilla TA:TW there are some generals (named characters) who are not part of the familytree, which is defined in the relative-line.

edit:

Originally Posted by Aruthiel

update: It crashed and gave me an unspecified error

obviously... narf
Ok but after having a look into the files of Finarfin I think the problem is as follows:

Finarfin has made this script:

Code:

;########################## Arnor Script ##############################
 declare_counter arnor_to_gondor
 
 monitor_conditions I_WorldwideAncillaryExists king_gondor
  and I_CompareCounter arnor_to_gondor = 0
  and I_TurnNumber > 0
    and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists king_arnor
  set_counter arnor_to_gondor 1  
  give_everything_to_faction turks sicily false
  console_command remove_ancillary Isildur king_gondor
  console_command give_ancillary Isildur king_arnor
  terminate_monitor
 end_monitor
 
 declare_counter gondor_to_arnor
 
 monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType turks
  and I_WorldwideAncillaryExists king_gondor
  and I_CompareCounter gondor_to_arnor = 0
  and I_TurnNumber > 0
    and not I_WorldwideAncillaryExists king_arnor
  set_counter gondor_to_arnor 1
  set_faction_banner
   faction turks
   banner sicily
  end_set_faction_banner  
  give_everything_to_faction sicily turks false
  console_command remove_ancillary Isildur king_gondor
  console_command give_ancillary Isildur king_arnor
  console_command give_trait Isildur IsildurBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Elendur IsildurBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Aratan IsildurBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Ciryon IsildurBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Valandil IsildurBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Anarion AnarionBlood 1
  console_command give_trait Meneldil AnarionBlood 1
  terminate_monitor
 end_monitor

I guess that's why he changed the familytrees to teutonic in the descr_sm_factions.txt in order to make this script work.
But since your game crashed when using the files edited by me indicates that there are other relations somewhere, which I do not know.
And actually that means I do have no clue how to help you any further, I suggest to contact Finarfin and ask him why he decided to have Arnor and Gondor without familytrees and how to undo that in his submod without making your game CTD

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