diplomacy failure

[barto300]

Hi I am bart new on the forums.
I joined the forums becouse I had a question and i couldnt find the answer on the forums
so i made my own topic

I am having problems with the diplomacy

I edited the descr.strat file like this at the bottom becouse i wanted that the factions
gaul germans britany and dacia where ally's through the whole game like the roman factions

but every time I play the game as gaul or any other faction of the 4 and I play about 5 to 20 round any other of the 3 betray me. I am getting sick of it...they are all 4 barbarian faction and I like them to fight together against rome.
But they dont only betray me but they also betray each other.
so please help me

I edited descr.strat like this:

; >>>> start of diplomacy section <<<<
;DS_ALLIED = 0
;DS_SUSPICIOUS = 100
;DS_NEUTRAL = 200
;DS_HOSTILE = 400
;DS_AT_WAR = 600

core_attitudes romans_julii, -10 romans_brutii, romans_scipii, romans_senate
core_attitudes romans_julii, 400 carthage
core_attitudes romans_julii, 600 slave
core_attitudes romans_brutii, -10 romans_julii, romans_scipii, romans_senate
core_attitudes romans_brutii, 600 slave
core_attitudes romans_scipii, -10 romans_julii, romans_brutii, romans_senate
core_attitudes romans_scipii, 600 slave
core_attitudes romans_senate, -10 romans_julii, romans_brutii, romans_scipii
core_attitudes romans_senate, 600 slave
core_attitudes macedon, 90 romans_brutii
core_attitudes macedon, 600 slave
core_attitudes egypt, 410 numidia
core_attitudes egypt, 600 slave
core_attitudes seleucid, 410 parthia
core_attitudes seleucid, 600 slave
core_attitudes carthage, 310 romans_julii, romans_scipii
core_attitudes carthage, 90 numidia
core_attitudes carthage, 90 spain
core_attitudes carthage, 600 slave
core_attitudes parthia, 90 armenia
core_attitudes parthia, 600 slave
core_attitudes pontus, 410 armenia
core_attitudes pontus, 600 slave
core_attitudes gauls, 410 romans_julii, spain
core_attitudes gauls, -10 germans, britons, dacia
core_attitudes gauls, 600 slave
core_attitudes germans, -10 gauls, britons, dacia
core_attitudes germans, 600 slave
core_attitudes britons, -10 germans, gauls, dacia
core_attitudes britons, 600 slave
core_attitudes dacia, 90 romans_julii
core_attitudes dacia, -10 germans, britons, gauls
core_attitudes dacia, 600 slave
core_attitudes armenia, 90 parthia
core_attitudes armenia, 600 slave
core_attitudes greek_cities, 410 romans_brutii, romans_scipii
core_attitudes greek_cities, 600 slave
core_attitudes numidia, 90 carthage
core_attitudes numidia, 600 slave
core_attitudes scythia, 600 slave
core_attitudes spain, 410 carthage
core_attitudes spain, 600 slave
core_attitudes thrace, 310 romans_brutii
core_attitudes thrace, 300 dacia
core_attitudes thrace, 600 slave
core_attitudes slave, 600 romans_julii, romans_brutii, romans_scipii, romans_senate, macedon, egypt, seleucid, carthage, parthia, pontus, gauls, germans, britons, armenia, dacia, greek_cities, numidia, scythia, spain, thrace

faction_relationships romans_julii, 100 romans_brutii
faction_relationships romans_julii, 100 romans_scipii
faction_relationships romans_julii, 100 romans_senate
faction_relationships romans_julii, 600 slave
faction_relationships romans_brutii, 100 romans_julii
faction_relationships romans_brutii, 100 romans_scipii
faction_relationships romans_brutii, 100 romans_senate
faction_relationships romans_brutii, 600 slave
faction_relationships romans_scipii, 100 romans_julii
faction_relationships romans_scipii, 100 romans_brutii
faction_relationships romans_scipii, 100 romans_senate
faction_relationships romans_scipii, 600 slave
faction_relationships gauls, 100 germans
faction_relationships gauls, 100 britons
faction_relationships gauls, 100 dacia
faction_relationships gauls, 600 slave
faction_relationships germans, 100 gauls
faction_relationships germans, 100 britons
faction_relationships germans, 100 dacia
faction_relationships germans, 600 slave
faction_relationships britons, 100 germans
faction_relationships britons, 100 britons
faction_relationships britons, 100 gauls
faction_relationships britons, 600 slave
faction_relationships dacia, 100 gauls
faction_relationships dacia, 100 germans
faction_relationships dacia, 100 britons
faction_relationships dacia, 600 slave
faction_relationships macedon, 600 slave
faction_relationships egypt, 600 slave
faction_relationships seleucid, 600 slave
faction_relationships carthage, 600 slave
faction_relationships parthia, 600 slave
faction_relationships pontus, 600 slave
faction_relationships armenia, 600 slave
faction_relationships greek_cities, 600 slave
faction_relationships numidia, 600 slave
faction_relationships scythia, 600 slave
faction_relationships spain, 600 slave
faction_relationships thrace, 600 slave
faction_relationships slave, 600 romans_julii, romans_brutii, romans_scipii, romans_senate, macedon, egypt, seleucid, carthage, parthia, pontus, gauls, germans, britons, armenia, dacia, greek_cities, numidia, scythia, spain, thrace
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hope you can help. greets

bart

[Brusilov]

This is more of a modding question than technical help.

I'll move it to the modding forums. You may also want to have a search for 'forced diplomacy' as I think there are various mods out there that do that.

[barto300]

oke i'll do that

[barto300]

I found a mod that can make u force factions to accept the offer but that doesnt keep my allies from attacking each other :s

[Salvor Hardin]

I am afraid that there is not much that you can do about it. RTW diplomacy does not work at all. Neighbours tend to attack each other and, all AI factions will attack the player's faction if they have the opportunity.

The only possible solution is, if you have a background script installed, to add a piece of code that will force them to declare peace at each turn end and start.

[barto300]

but the Romans never attack each other do they also have a script for themselves?
maybe I can use that

[Salvor Hardin]

The Romans are "hardcoded" (i.e. predetermined by the game) to keep at peace until one faction is strong enough to declare Civil War. As far as I know, no one has succeeded in replicating this.

[Praefectus praetorio]

According to TWC Wiki RTW: Alexander has a feature wich enables you to choose a faction never attack another faction. But I don't know how it works though.

[Killerbee]

in descr_strat , it's something like this :

ai_do_never_attack_faction . I'm not sure it"s this , but i think it's something like that

[Zhuge_Liang]

in descr_strat , it's something like this :

ai_do_never_attack_faction . I'm not sure it"s this , but i think it's something like that

Yes, but this doesn't stop them attacking the player faction, and seems to be limited to only one faction.

I have a similar problem scritping the trojan war in Aristeia. I want the greeks to stay allied at least for 25 turns (but actively want that alliance to break down eventually).

My advice would be to check who is decalring war on who the most and add the above block in the descr_strat, also make sure that both the core and starting relationships between your allied factions are all -600. Other than that there is little you can do. If there is a settlement which is poorly defended or too close to another which my be contensious then move it further away or increase the garrison.

Be warned though that lasting peace is not possible unless you force diplomacy by script for every turn, and even then it doesn't work well. The diplomacy AI does not exist. Even after making a strong alliance and telling the AI to hate certain factions, giving them a victory condition (owned by enemy) one province away and preventing them from attacking the ally beside them they usually just move along to attack the next nearest ally rather than actually fight the enemy; it is laughably bad.

[AqD]

Yes, but this doesn't stop them attacking the player faction, and seems to be limited to only one faction.

I have a similar problem scritping the trojan war in Aristeia. I want the greeks to stay allied at least for 25 turns (but actively want that alliance to break down eventually).

It can work for many factions, and it is effective until the faction has no other enemy and hence has no choice but to attack those listed in ai_do_never_attack_faction.

[Squid]

it goes in descr_strat but only if you are using the alex exe

[barto300]

it goes in descr_strat but only if you are using the alex exe

you mean I can only modify the alexander factions and not the normal rome total war factions?
but that are only like 5 factions or so

[Squid]

No, I mean this will only work with alexander and mods made specifically for alexander (i.e. alexander or any mod using the alex.exe), the RTW exe and BI exe do not support that line.

[Kylan271]

I came across this in trying a basic game in TE Gold with baktria-m/vh..by 14years(473 to 480),I always seem to have my ally,Seleucids backstabbing me and my campaign screwd,even though Parthia is weaker,and garrison size is no detterent!!! In Alex it seems better AI even without the no attack script thing. But in RTW.exe I was using,the crazy but best solution to this is to ahem..'move_character' console command..placing 'allied' stacks heading my way back near their own cities,to slow the AI boggyman down..^_* . It is cheating,but the game is not going by diplomacy and common sense so what the heck,it works.