Horde reactions thread

[Soul Firez]

I would ask all those using the return of the horde or just rise of the horde to report what they horde does here so i can get an idea of how it is going...

i have started a campaign as the dreaded english and have put to waste the welsh lands and as expected the horde rose up under the rule of welsh king owain .

strangely the new welsh king split away from his army leaving them standing just outside of caernovon and headed to the scotish lands but about 2 rounds later formed an aliance with the scotish who have now declared war on me .. also this new king has been recruiting family members i would say taking adoptions as well a new general for wales has headed back and joined the army out side caernovon .

And yet a third family member has appeared in scotland and with sightings of the welsh king owain heading into my enemy the irish lands does he intend another aliance against me ???

i will keep you posted on the workings of this dispossed welsh king who flees for his life as my assasins draw ever closer to end his rule but now he has 2 back ups it shall be hard to put down these welshmen damn fools a people should know when they are conquered

as you see in the pic the new general has just joined up with the army south of caernovon with a lone general just near dumfries and the king owain heading into the irish lands..........

[Grislok]

Sweet!

[Hallow]

a people should know when they are conquered

Would you? Would I?

[Soul Firez]

Seems the disposed king of wales is a cunning negotaitor as he met with a french princess in ireland and formed an alliance with them and again imediately the french declared war on me a grim thing for the english kingdom

he also formed an alliance with the irish (they were already at war with me ) but have also raised another army and are giving aid to the irish and scotish in dublin

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There armies in caernovon have moved of to find easier targets and of great note 7 years later after having being driven from there homes they have finally decided to take one but not from the english they have back stabbed the irish and are trying to take there capital city which at the time was probably lightly defended but the garrison script has seen to a warm welcome for them ! but of great note the AI actually brought 2 full stacks with them for the war

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The war continues will i ever rid myself of wales but atleast now they attack ireland my chances get better

[pwf224]

Thats disappointing they turned on their ally like that. If the Welsh managed to take an English city instead, you would really be in for a challenge. Where are the Welsh getting all these armies if they are defeated? Does the horde script spawn multiple stacks, or just one army?

[Soul Firez]

no it spawns one army but it is a free income army so every round the kings purse builds up so they hire mercs and adopt family members it seems it makes them a viable enitity to getback into the game that way .. trust me its been pretty challenging they have helped the scotish to beat me down a few times and all this from a nation that by the old way would be dead so i think i have really uped the difficulty big time...

people will really look after there family members now as they are trully the key to there empire and also it will mean when you try to vanquish an enemy kingdom you will need to hunt down there rulers to avoid facing the wraith of the horde

[Soul Firez]

The welsh raiders where seen off at cork by the fierce irish defenders now friendless( all the nations dropped them as an ally seeing there betrayal) beaten and there forces split the prince of england sees his chance to end these brigands once and for all.

moving out from dublin he attempted to track them but the welsh prince bah a mere cut throat hired and given a title this man has no honor attempts to ambush the brave english prince . an attempt that fails for as always the royal family travel with a spotter for such cases( always keep a spy in a good army so they cant be ambushed) the welsh mercanaries fall and flee to the charges of true englishmen and the welsh so called prince falls in an attempt to flee the battle arrows peppering his cowardly corpse

seeing this hired prince fall king owain of the welsh siege apoun dublin a small force met him in defence but i fear the welsh king and those of the true welsh still following his banner capture the great city and finally have a new home again but this joy is to be short lived with the returning of the prince of england to the city he has been placed in charge of trapped and with no where to go the final battle of wales rages and valiantly king owain dies defending those of his people who followed him .

the welsh are finally dead (turn 112 when i took there lands at turn 34) king john has vowed to watch closely the conquered people of wales should they ever have mind to rebel he has set armies to quickly quell such rebelion ( i dont want to face a horde like that again it just gets stronger every round its alive and will turn into a formidable foe)

But this tremendous victory has come at a price greatly weakened is dublin and the irish mobilise to take the city i can not hold it ... does prince william flee across the water or does he stand to face the wraith of an irish foe who has not relented since 1180 except in its brief war against the vile welsh betrayers were 5 battles they fought against each other 4 going to the irish one falling to the cowardly welsh

Of note its taken me that long to just kill wales think i can make my victory conditions if i dont smarten up and make sure i kill or trap the royal familys in the cities i take i havent a chance if i let another horde loose or if the welsh every rebel again it will be real tough for my campaign and now with my forces heavily weakened all over britain i think this will end with a crushing defeat of england but we see i fight on for VICTORY

[pwf224]

Wow that sounds intense! Any screenshots that you could add in? I loved seeing the horde in action it was really cool.

[Soul Firez]

damn to be honest i had gotten so much into playing it i forgot to click some more screenies but seriously i will be very carefull now to hopefully keep any more from arising but it wont be easy whats going to happen when the scottish push down everything effects a cities happyness if they blockade the port siege the city this may spark another welsh rebelion of if i conqer the irish a big IF at the moment and i miss a family memeber the hell begins again

[pwf224]

Well, for the sake of the thread, lets hope it does

[Soul Firez]

oh of interesting note though every time a horde army is seen in your land you get the historical event the horde arives a left over from vanillia i would say but it is a laugh . it does say the horde arives and below that welsh horde but the description is of course relating to the eastern horde invasions.

i would like to change this to a more well less specific area of the horde its says about the men of the east from the steps of asia etc etc any budding writer out there who would right a good horde notice ill add it in game and rebuild the historical string bing file also to make it complete

[Rhythalion]

Hey Soul Firez, I can't see a "release" thread or post with the files to test? I'd like to try them out if I may?

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The Hordes Have Arrived
Beware those that have come to take your lands! Their armies march across your borders, laying waste to everything in their path. Your people turn to you for leadership in these dark times, they look to you to lead your armies to glory against the invaders, and protect the lands that are yours by right!

lolz, just something quick.

[Soul Firez]

In the sub mod forum you will see the sub mod return of the horde mate just follow the installationj instructions

[Rhythalion]

Ahh, Got it. I'll try it out tonight.... although the All Blacks are playing Australia tonight (rugby)...... so my time will be cut by a couple of hours HAHA!

[Soul Firez]

turn 184 the english fortunes have turned bad with the war in the west with the irish the north the scotish and the south the french . i have been spread to thin from these wars and putting many of my resources of putting down the welsh horde earlier in the game.

the french have taken antwerp from me and the province to the very west of north europe leaving me just caern in europe main the irish after 90 years of war finally have what they have always wanted a united ireland under the irish king . the scotish have grown strong driving norway from northern scotland and even worse for me have moved into my lands and took caernavon sacking the city bringing my fears to birth that of the uprising of the welsh again

but here things got strange the new formed welsh seem to have support of the pope who asked me imediatly to cease hostilities with them so i sent a diplomat and they agreed with no hesitiation i couldnt offer trade rights i assume as they had no settlements to trade with lol . they then proceeded directly north attacking the scotish out right at there capital

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Again with the garrison script this did not fear well for them it was lightly guarded when they got there sieging it but as seen the garrison jumped and they where beaten in the fight fleeing to south scotland straight into another scotish force who crushed the wounded army quelling the welsh uprising a mere 2 years( 4 turns ) after it begun

[Soul Firez]

My test campaign to see how it goes raised some questions for me that i will continue to test i mean the first horde was quite placid at first did a hide and seek and built itself up and became quite a force the second horde by contrast was aggressive and wiped itself out early with its aggression ( it getting wiped out was mostly due to the garrison script the AI does not count on such occurences.

by looking at my old saves for this and by examining lusted AI i am making a few assumptions given by the parrameters he has set it seems the AI calculates its close enemy and if it is equal in strength it defends its borders if it is weaker it defends deep or further in its core settlements and if it is stronger it attacks this is of course simplified of its calculation ...

During the first horde everyones settlements where reasonable garrisoned so it went on defensive building up and only attacked when it traveled around and then found irelands capital lightly garrisoned so it attacked being beaten by the garrison script which it cant calculate.

by contrast the second horde scotlands forces where behind it and its settlements where weakly guarded so it automaticaly went weak target attack again being seen off by the garrison script its only real success sieging was against me the human opponent where there is no garrison whats there is whats there !!

now my other factors i have noticed is well i have slightly increased the difficulty of maintaining order in a city not by much and havent touched bad ones like squalor that i have left as it was going more for SOF glory a factor of well your emppire is doing SOF garrison and building law and fun slightly decreasing those so it needs more men in the cities to maintain order and as a result i have seen the AI slightly increase its garrison in cities i am asuming to maintain the optimum growth financial factors all other factors being equal eg they are not under threat from near by .

this got me thinking perhaps if i increase these factors more the ai will garrison more but with the same AI parrameters it wont lose its aggresive nature i will keep testing this it i am hoping allow me to do away withthe garrison script if the ai will defend itself better and perhaps opt more for a finacial boost script for the ai so it will be able to build up it garrison and then resume its attacking of the player quickly

Is anyone interested in helping me test some of these factors i am looking to give the best game experience possible

[Rhythalion]

I'm going to give this a good playing today... although i've actually taken out the garrison script in KGCM. I have the backup file though, would you recommend I put it back?

[Soul Firez]

you have taken it out of my horde modded files or regular KGCM mate if you have taken it out of the horde version no by all means try it out as i have noted one of the factors that has killed the horde has been well the garrison script as the AI doesnt account for it

let me know how it goes and thanks on the catching of my spelling mistake in the file ill put up a correct version but all those who have downloaded it please take the campaign script out of the miss spelt file and put it into the correct file of KGCM (it is the campaign file spelt wrong in download as camapaign sorry about that )

[Rhythalion]

Yep, VH/VH.... but heavily cheating to kill those factions quick, I wanted to test out the re-emergence etc mainly... not the hording if a family member stays alive, so I took pains to kill em..... Richard the Lionheart lost a bit o chivalry though.... and I got excommunicated HAHAHA!

little to no garrison and high taxes means I got red faces in those settlements, but do they have to be red faces in all of that faction original settlements? Or is it based on individual settlements getting grumpy? hehe.

[Soul Firez]

nope it doesnt need to be all of them its enough if one gets upset to spawn a rebelion i have to ask how do you switchof the garrison script if not by altering the campaign script which is where the counter and actual create unit script is for the garrison script if there is another way to switch it off do tell me as the horde script comes in a campaign script with the garrison script still intact