Trolls, Olog-Hai and other unfriendly characters

[Halbard]

how do i bloody kill them!?!?! i have 1000 footed soldiers by the gate, and they just destroy them, and i cant kill a single one of them. playing as gondor BTW

gief help

[2-D Ron]

how do i bloody kill them!?!?! i have 1000 footed soldiers by the gate, and they just destroy them, and i cant kill a single one of them. playing as gondor BTW

gief help

While you are holding them at the Gate move your Catapults into a good position in line with the Gate you're defending and bomb them with firey balls, great way to get them as quickly as possible, Ballista's work too if not to kill Orcs and cause a rout as quick as possible.

[MasterBigAb]

how do i bloody kill them!?!?! i have 1000 footed soldiers by the gate, and they just destroy them, and i cant kill a single one of them. playing as gondor BTW

gief help

Please take a look at the forum first, there are guides
you find them here

[Halbard]

Please take a look at the forum first, there are guides
you find them here

thanks mate. BTW, i dont have neither ballistas or catapults, so but i think im managing

[axnsan]

Use archers, while holding them down with useless militias.

[jinjo]

in towns use archers, ballistas, catapults
in field battle use heavily cavalry.
for instane my hero general (consisted 55 soldiers) crushed olog-hai (12)
i lost 12 soldiers but not general himself
try to use geographical territory as your advantage

[Halbard]

im defending east osgiliath, and facing 2 packs of holog hai and 2 packs of mountain trolls. i have 5 archer milita groups, 3 gondor militia, half gondor infantry group and half gondor spearmen group. also have some cavalry as backup

[Lordinquisitor]

Good luck! You will probably lose east osgiliath. I don`t think that those militias can alone defeat them.

If this happens move your troops on the brigde between west and east osgiliath (Mostly archers, catapults and units which can hold a line.. like fountain guard.) Brigde battles are very easy.

And my tip for you is the following:

Use some militias to "pin them down". Then attack them with cavalry charges in the rear/flank. You could also use lossarnach axemen, because they are very effective against armor.

And get catapults as soon as possible.

[Halbard]

what im doing basically, is hoping to bring down 10-15% of them down before they take down the gate, and i send all my cavalry to the outside, through another door. then try to hold them by the gate, and attack them by the rear with the cavalry, but those bloody trolls arent giving me much of a chance

[Lordinquisitor]

Watch out!

Trolls can climb ladders and can use siege towers, too.

Getting them down again, now THATS difficult.

[Halbard]

the outcome:

[Lordinquisitor]

I simply love cavalry. Good work

[Treize]

How about the second stack, hehe...

You should get some catapults in the westernhalf and put them on the bridge with some militia and the units now in east...

[Halbard]

and i didnt lose a single general too bad the rest of the garrison was utterly destroyed xD
and BTW, its rather stupid that trolls are able to climb ladders, dont you agree?

[igotballsofsteel]

and i didnt lose a single general too bad the rest of the garrison was utterly destroyed xD
and BTW, its rather stupid that trolls are able to climb ladders, dont you agree?

I agree that trolls should not be able to climb those small ladders .

[Halbard]

I agree that trolls should not be able to climb those small ladders .

exactly. how can a wooden ladder support the weight of a troll? and trolls should also not be able to go to the walls, since they are too big for that. if trolls can do it, why cant cavalry? gandalf did it

[Lordinquisitor]

Well, they are considered heavy infantry. And infantry is able to climb walls- changing them to the unit type cavalry would force the a.i to use them wrong in battle.

However, KK mentioned some kind of bug that will prevent ents from climbing.. Maybe the same bug can be applied to trolls, though in my opinion trolls using siege towers/trolls on the biggest possible walls are reasonable.

[CBCRonin]

Don't try to "plug" the gate/gap. Because the orcs often have overwhelming numbers; the Japanese method of drawing an enemy in works far better than the Eurpoean style of defense (especially so when trolls are involved).

A three way street defense, off the gate the enemy penetrates, works well. Leave a gap behind the gate, set your defense to the right and left: Line of spear or disposable militia, javelins, armor piercing melee. For the main street approach heading to the square: Line of spear or disposable militia, javelins, armor piercing melee, archer, archer, archer (or as many as you have, all with fire arrows selected).

The trolls will probably head right or left depending on how close your spears are placed to the gate, they may try to attack archers on the wall as well. When they contact your spear/militia.... order your javelins to target them. If that doesn't eliminate them as a threat, order you armor piercing troops in to engage.

[If you don't have foot javelins, if you are playing Rohan, engage with armor piercing melee as soon as they contact the spear. Be sure to target the trolls specifically with your wall archers before they break the gate. You won't kill any, but you will whittle down their hit points so your melee has a chance. Make sure you stop your archers targetting them when they engage your men, as arrows are far less accurate than javelins.]

As the rest of the enemy pours into the gate, your archers on the street will be pouring fire arrows into them. You will lose some spears or militia from their fire, but the cost to the enemy will be horrendous.

[Halbard]

new battle, mordor spawns 5 packs of mountain trolls. a single pack went up my wall, and killed 450 archers, without losing a single unit.

i mean, WHAT THE HELL?

[Skeleton Of The West]

Archers fighting against trolls in melee combat is not very effective, you should have tried running away with your archers.