Turkish Commander dies in Afghanistan

[cenkiss]

http://www.zimbio.com/War+in+Iraq/ar...ed+Afghanistan

http://haber.gazetevatan.com/haberde...1&Categoryid=1

The commander of Turkish forces in Afghanistan has died in a traffic accident.The interesting thing is after hearing this accident,many afghanis came to Camp Dogan in tears crying after this Nato soldier.He was loved very much by afghanis.He was very good to children and women.While many Nato commanders took security personel,he was able to just walk around afghanis.He was asked many times by other commanders why he was loved so much.Villagers even put Turkish flag in the mosque when he died.

[ShADoW]

Dying from a traffic accident, thats new.

[Thorn777]

Dying from a traffic accident, thats new.

Not really, about two weeks ago a couple of German soldiers died because their vehicle crashed and got upside-down.

We are now at 32(RIP), and I guess most died in similar stupid kind of "accidents".

[Каие]

Turkey should send more men to Afghanistan. Turkey has the largest Army in Europe and is a Muslim country, the presence of more Turkish troops, combat troops, will be a positive thing for this war militarily and politically.

[Oldgamer]

Turkey should send more men to Afghanistan. Turkey has the largest Army in Europe and is a Muslim country, the presence of more Turkish troops, combat troops, will be a positive thing for this war militarily and politically.

I agree 100%.

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Turkey should send more men to Afghanistan. Turkey has the largest Army in Europe and is a Muslim country, the presence of more Turkish troops, combat troops, will be a positive thing for this war militarily and politically.

True but Turkey's army is also the guardian of its secularism and at least the command of the army is maybe quite anti-mohammedan even*

[Каие]

True but Turkey's army is also the guardian of its secularism and at least the command of the army is maybe quite anti-mohammedan even

The Turkish Army is not anti-Muslim. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Crimson Scythe]

True but Turkey's army is also the guardian of its secularism and at least the command of the army is maybe quite anti-mohammedan even

Political secularism, not social secularism. The army doesn't have anything against Islam playing a role in people's lives, just with religious influences on state decisions. Turkish commanders still attend prayers for soldiers killed in action, for instance. It's a fine line to walk, but the army has done a fairly good job since the 1920s, IMO.

A few pictures of Kurmay Albay Faruk Sungur with the troops and Afghan civilians: http://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/ga...id=24695&rid=2

Şehidimizin ruhu şad olsun.

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

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Political secularism, not social secularism.

There is only secularism, no such a thing as social or political secularism, I guess what you would call political secularism is secularism and what you would call social secularism is anti-theism. Secularism means keeping religious affairs out of the state and the state out of religious affairs (Turkey is not very secularist in that respect though)

The army doesn't have anything against Islam playing a role in people's lives

From what I have heard soldiers women can't wear head scarves and no mosques in and around military bases iirc.

[Tiberios]

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From what I have heard soldiers women can't wear head scarves and no mosques in and around military bases iirc.

There isn't excatly churches in Danish military bases either.

[Crimson Scythe]

There is only secularism, no such a thing as social or political secularism, I guess what you would call political secularism is secularism and what you would call social secularism is anti-theism. Secularism means keeping religious affairs out of the state and the state out of religious affairs (Turkey is not very secularist in that respect though)

Semantics. I called them what I did for the sake of clarity. Turkey would more correctly be described as a laic country, though, not a secular one, as religion is regulated by the state (to a degree). However, the distinction between this and a theocracy is that the control is only one way (well, ideally).

From what I have heard soldiers women can't wear head scarves and no mosques in and around military bases iirc.

The military is an instrument of state policy, and thus so are all soldiers. As such, there are some gray areas with regards to the rights of soldiers and their dependents. The military institution is, however, is strictly secular because it has to be, for the sake of equality of service to the state. Surely you can see how dangerous it can be to have religion and military training potentially mingling together. Just look at what happened in Iran in 1979. Overly religious officers refused to defend the state (which is a soldier's duty), and look what the result has been. Radical secularism in the Turkish military is closely tied to the Iranian experience. Prior to 1979, it wasn't quite as extensive (judging from my father's and uncles' experiences). Basically, the military higher-ups were spooked by the Islamic Revolution in Iran, and have been acting accordingly ever since.

Keep that in mind.

[Ephialtes]

Turkey should send more men to Afghanistan. Turkey has the largest Army in Europe and is a Muslim country, the presence of more Turkish troops, combat troops, will be a positive thing for this war militarily and politically.

I agree, but...ehh...Turkey is not in Europe

[Babur]

All the Pakistanis on this forum are bat- insane

Just like all the Israelis, and gojira.

Not all

Although,Salah-ud-deen was implying that Ataturk was bad for Turkey lol.

I agree, but...ehh...Turkey is not in Europe

Eastern Thrace belongs to Turkey

[Poet]

To whom it may concern

I am a Pakistani, and we have love and affection with people of Turkey since the Caliphate movement to save caliphate in turkey after WW1.Specially we love you when we know that you are passionate muslims like us and you are defending wrongful imposition of secularism on you. This love comes to peak when we know with what love and affection and respect you constructed Mosque of Prophet (pbuh) in your era of Caliphate.

I have listened examples of your kindness and love with people of even non-muslim nations, when your army was allocated by U.N. there. Definitely Afghan would love such a person you told as he was a rare example to them in Allied Army. As Afghani people often protest against evil occupation and acts of Nato and american forces.

Not only those Afghan but i am also sad after hearing such a loss. May Allah rest his soul in paradise. Aameen.

[lordoftheT]

To whom it may concern

I am a Pakistani, and we have love and affection with people of Turkey since the Caliphate movement to save caliphate in turkey after WW1.Specially we love you when we know that you are passionate muslims like us and you are defending wrongful imposition of secularism on you. This love comes to peak when we know with what love and affection and respect you constructed Mosque of Prophet (pbuh) in your era of Caliphate.

Not sure how popular this sentiment would make you in Turkey.

[Heinz Guderian]

O Allah, forgive our living and our dead, those who are present among us and those who are absent, our young and our old, our males and our females. O Allah, whoever You keep alive, keep him alive in Islam, and whoever You cause to die, cause him to die with faith.

[Каие]

Heinz, the NSA just signed on.

To whom it may concern

I am a Pakistani, and we have love and affection with people of Turkey since the Caliphate movement to save caliphate in turkey after WW1.Specially we love you when we know that you are passionate muslims like us and you are defending wrongful imposition of secularism on you. This love comes to peak when we know with what love and affection and respect you constructed Mosque of Prophet (pbuh) in your era of Caliphate.

I have listened examples of your kindness and love with people of even non-muslim nations, when your army was allocated by U.N. there. Definitely Afghan would love such a person you told as he was a rare example to them in Allied Army. As Afghani people often protest against evil occupation and acts of Nato and american forces.

Not only those Afghan but i am also sad after hearing such a loss. May Allah rest his soul in paradise. Aameen.

Turkey is in NATO and commanded ISAF for a few years.

[Heinz Guderian]

Heinz, the NSA just signed on.
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you forgot to say ameen.

[Каие]

you forgot to say ameen.

id rather not join you where you're going

[Treize]

Specially we love you when we know that you are passionate muslims like us and you are defending wrongful imposition of secularism on you. .

And then they ask us why we fear the growing number of muslims in the west