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    http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Phila...-blasphemy-law
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...387384.ht%20ml

    On Friday July 11th, 2009, Ireland passed the Defamation Bill by one vote. One of the aspects of this bill would make it illegal to criticize religion… any religion under penalty of fines up to 25,000 Euros. That is the equivalent to nearly $35,000.

    When I first heard this story on the internets, I was certain that it was a false story. I read the story, googled it, checked out legitimate Ireland news sites, and double checked more Ireland news sites. The story checks out. It seems that the Blasphemy Clause of the Defamation Bill was challenged in the legislature by an amendment which would delete such a clause. The amendment to delete the clause initially passed by one vote, but a request was made for a “walk-through vote.” During that time two more Senators came in and voted against the amendment to delete the clause. This meant that the clause would stay in the bill. The bill then passed by the same margin.

    Here is an excerpt from the Blasphemy Clause:


    Section 36

    (1) A person who publishes or utters blasphemous matter shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable upon conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €100,000. [Amended to €25,000]

    (2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

    This part of the bill makes it illegal to criticize any religion either verbally or in writing. Saying anything in which a “substantial number” of followers might find offensive would now be a crime in the Ireland. But the bill goes even further. Here is another excerpt:


    Section 37

    (1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 36, the court may issue a warrant (a) authorising any member of the Garda Siochana to enter (if necessary by the use of reasonable force) at all reasonable times any premises (including a dwelling) at which he or she has reasonable grounds for believing that copies of the statement to which the offence related are to be found, and to search those premises and seize and remove all copies of the statement found therein, (b) directing the seizure and removal by any member of the Garda Siochana of all copies of the statement to which the offence related that are in the possession of any person, specifying the manner in which copies so seized and removed shall be detained and stored by the Garda Siochana.

    The Garda Siochana is the Irish police who can now (under this law) break into people’s homes and confiscate copies of any book which might be critical of any religion. I keep trying to point out that any religious criticism is a crime, because many Christians are critical of differing religions. Atheists are not the only ones being targeted here. Simply claiming that the Pope is not infallible might be considered blasphemous to many Catholics. Claiming that the prophet Joseph Smith was not really visited by angels and given magic golden plates would be blasphemous to Mormons. Mentioning the prophet Mohammad without adding the phrase “peace be upon him” would be considered blasphemous to Muslims. And claiming that Scientology is a sham and that Tom Cruise is crazy would obviously be blasphemous to Scientologists.

    What if a Christian claimed that if someone was not saved through Jesus Christ, he or she would spend eternity in Hell? An argument could be made that such a statement and even the Bible itself might be considered blasphemous to other religions. In fact, most religious are blasphemous to other religions. Maybe the Irish police will fine everyone.

    *Ireland marching proudly towards the 15th century*

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    Deus Vult.
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    Way to go Ireland...

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    I sure hope this is one of those legendary Irish jokes...
    Didn't I predict this in the UN Defamation Resolution thread?
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    It is indeed hard to believe that this could happen in a country like Ireland. My mother, a very PC woman, seems to think it a good law. Then again, she hasn't read the actual legislation.

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    This will lead to very much unrest. Now, if someone feels offended, it is the best for him to riot in the streets with like-minded persons to prove that he feels insulted. Otherwise it would not be a blasphemy by this law. Sometimes, politicians are so stupid.

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    (2) For the purposes of this section, a person publishes or utters blasphemous matter if (a) he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion, and (b) he or she intends, by the publication or utterance of the matter concerned, to cause such outrage.

    I guess TWC will have to be blocked in Ireland.

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    Does Ireland have a Supreme Court -esque legal body?

    Because this must violate some part of their constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuineaPig View Post
    Does Ireland have a Supreme Court -esque legal body?

    Because this must violate some part of their constitution.
    No, this law was made because the Constitution itself is what bans criticism of religion.

    Time to create a brick-throwing religion, and test this law to its fullest.

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    Phier,
    Your sig says "I refuse to leave our children with a debt that they cannot repay, and that means taking responsibility right now, in this administration, for getting our spending under control.” — President Barack Obama, Feb. 23, 2009."

    You realise that American debt is expected to double while he is in his presidency and reach 100% of America's average GDP(PP)?

    @OP haha, nice one.
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    One giant leap backwards and to the left.

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    /facepalm
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    In my country there were talks to make it legal to insult religions...

    Not yet passed, unfortunatly.
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    Another typically centre-right idea.

    Still, could've been worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    One giant leap backwards and to the left.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Another typically centre-right idea.

    Still, could've been worse.
    I have to agree. Those leftist right-wingers!

    (But seriously: religion always seems more the theme of the right, not the left. See USA, Iran, etc. Never heard of "christian communists", for example.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by green tea View Post
    I have to agree. Those leftist right-wingers!

    (But seriously: religion always seems more the theme of the right, not the left. See USA, Iran, etc. Never heard of "christian communists", for example.)
    I see it as another PC initiative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    I see it as another PC initiative.
    The left has absolutely NO monopoly on political correctness.

    I have a fairly leftest bent, and this is horrifying. I could understand legislation preventing discrimination based on religion (which I imagine is already in place), but this is something else altogether. I hope, for Ireland's sake, that there are demonstrations in the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilder View Post
    The left has absolutely NO monopoly on political correctness.
    Did I say monopoly?

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    Both the left and right have elements who despise free speech, its not really a right or left issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Both the left and right have elements who despise free speech, its not really a right or left issue.
    Exactly, this is a clear violations of freedom speech not a left/right policy.

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