Unit Scale

[hvddrift]

Hi

I am quite new to RTW, but I was wondering what the scale of the units are?

I was reading a post that shows this image (the post was "How to survive the first fifteen turns")



Now that's the close same as what I understand a pre-marian Legion would look like, except it seems like its half. There were generally 10 maniples of hastati, 10 maniples of principes and 10 of triarii which had two half strength centuries of 30 men, plus about 1200 velites and 300 cavalry which made up 10 units - 30 men strong.

This is the screen grab of the above:




Forgetting the velites it seems to have 5 maniples of hastati, 5 maniples of principes and 3 of triarii.

So as an example, if each hastati maniple had 120 men thats 1200 men in real terms. Above (they may be reduced but the uniformity seems they are at full strength) have them at 815 or about 1.5. So is the break down as 2:1?

Is there an article for converting the Units of SPQR to Real Roman numbers?

Thanks

Hans

[Maximus_96]

are you asking how to convert how many men one man is worth in SPQR? if you are i think one man is equal to three if it was real life, but im not sure

[hvddrift]

Hi

Yes, that is my question. If it is 3 to 1 that makes them quite a large force. Unless it is a double Legion/Consular Army.

Do you know where it refers to the 3:1 Ratio?

Thanks

Hans

[Hesus de bodemloze]

Hi

Yes, that is my question. If it is 3 to 1 that makes them quite a large force. Unless it is a double Legion/Consular Army.

Do you know where it refers to the 3:1 Ratio?

Thanks

Hans

First of all don' t increase the number of man because your PC can' t handle it. Use the huge units scale settings this will give you the best result of playing the game as it is balanced out for roman play.

You can' t have 10 maniples of hastati or principes and so on because there are only like 20 units slots in one army. If you look at the enemy you will notice there units strength is almost twice as big as the roman one. One unit of gaul sword man has 240 men in it same for iberian infantry and so on.

[Ejergard]

Here's a little copy and paste job from the "Legion Compositions.rtf"-file in the SPQR_Readme folder in your install!

This document will help new players on what composition their Roman Legion should have. This is close to historical as you can get for SPQR mod Legions. This will add challenge and fun gameplay trying to make historical Legions for playing SPQR mod. In SPQR each man equals 3 men in real life.

Pre-Marius Legion

1 General
3 Triarii
4-5 Principes
4-5 Hastatii
2 Equites
2 Velites
2 Slingers or Archers

Post-Marius Legion

1 General
1 1st Cohort (Has Legion Numeral and Title)
9 Cohorts
2 Roman Cavalry or Late cavalry auxillia
2 Light Infantry Javelinmen
2 Archer Auxillia
3 Auxilia Infantry or Siege weapons

[saienga]

I've read that real-life legions sported something in the neighborhood of 6,000 men.

Depeneding on your setup, both Polybian and Republican/Imperial Legions will have ~3,000 men when freshly milled.

This would put the ratio at 2:1

Remember also that your average historical article on Roman legions will also include in the total head count ancillaries and hangers-on and some extra folks that don't appear in the stream-lines, computerized version. So I've always just figured 2:1, give or take.