Second Age - Total War - Version 2.3 (Third Age 3.2 compatible)

**Finarfin** · July 16, 2009, 02:45 PM

thanks, too

okay gothmog was his first commander, but sauron was the first commander of angband

**Flower** · July 16, 2009, 04:19 PM

I have an idea for the minas ithil model... Wasn't Minas Ithil a copy from Minas Arnor, so you could use the same model?

**Finarfin** · July 16, 2009, 05:12 PM

read first post pls or look at page 2.

its wasnt a copy and if i would use the same model, the would be turn to the mountains of mordor...

**Protestant Knight** · July 16, 2009, 06:57 PM

Could we get some pic's of the map and the new units thanks

**el Cid** · July 17, 2009, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Finarfin

so it could be look:

Perfect! I thought it wasn't too hard, but I don't have Photoshop.

**Santeri** · July 17, 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Renown

well actually Gothmog was his first commander... but thats totally irrelevant =)

Wrong Gothmog was first commander of balrogs, but Sauron was Morgoth first commander.

**Aikanár** · July 17, 2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Santeri

Wrong Gothmog was first commander of balrogs, but Sauron was Morgoth first commander.

Gothmog and Sauron are called Morgoth's Lieutenants and considering the HoM-E Gothmog was the commander in chief of all of Morgoth's western forces. Sauron takes this position after Gothmog was slain.

**Santeri** · July 17, 2009, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Aikanár

Gothmog and Sauron are called Morgoth's Lieutenants and considering the HoM-E Gothmog was the commander in chief of all of Morgoth's western forces. Sauron takes this position after Gothmog was slain.

Haven't read HoMe so I can be wrong, but I don't think that prove anything. Gothmog was ''first line commander'', right. That way he lead morgoth's forces
and that way have title of commander in chief of all of Morgoth's western forces. If you think some of our wars like ww2 higher rank people were never in first line. Actually they could spare hole war without single combat and that is what kind commander Sauron was. At least I think that way.

But if you know that I'm wrong: prove it. I want also know better

**Aikanár** · July 17, 2009, 05:38 PM

I've never stated that you might be wrong

Neither was it my intension to prove you wrong! I just wanted to point out, that JRRT made only few distinctions between Gothmog and Sauron considering their role in command.
Commander in chief is one. For Sauron f.e. he states that he was the chief force in breeding and developing Orcs -besides the fact that Morgoth had the first thought of them by corrupting Eruhíni. So basically I just wanted to point out, that it's pretty hard to determine a chief lieutenant of Morgoth in the First Age. He had at least two, if one takes Glaurung into consideration then three; all of them taking care of several departments one could say.
Sauron was the lucky and clever guy who got away

Who knows if Ecthelion would not have slain him as well, if he had commanded the assault on Gondolin.

To make a comparison, I for myself think one could compare the roles of Gothmog and Sauron with the roles of Jackson and Longstreet.

**Vhaelor** · July 17, 2009, 06:54 PM

Alright my two cents coming here:

Gothmog was the Lord of Balrogs but:
Sauron was Morgoth's second in command. Sauron is described to be as wicked and evil (and nearly as powerful) as Morgoth but only less evil because he served another's (Morgoth's) purpose.

**Santeri** · July 18, 2009, 01:09 AM

I think we need some lore specialists here...

**evinmulligan** · July 18, 2009, 02:36 AM

I always thought it was something like prime minister/president sort of thing.

**Vhaelor** · July 18, 2009, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by evinmulligan

I always thought it was something like prime minister/president sort of thing.

Well that wouldnt' be a bad comparison imo. Morgoth was *the* man in Angband, but Sauron was his right hand in all dealings, and is described as the deadliest of his servants.

**gaunty14** · July 18, 2009, 01:11 PM

is this a seperate campaign or does it replace the original ?

and + rep

**Vhaelor** · July 18, 2009, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by gaunty14

is this a seperate campaign or does it replace the original ?

and + rep

it replaces the third age campaign.

**Isildor** · July 19, 2009, 08:41 AM

Can't you make a modfoldered submod?

**Finarfin** · July 19, 2009, 09:34 AM

no, cause the submod would get a size about 2-3 Gb...

edit/

i ve read the thread "Regarding Permission to use this Mod" at the lotr-tw-forum and if i add the lotrtw-team to my credits and so, then im allowed to use their numenor models!
there is one problem, i ve tried to convert the numenorean archers from RTW to M2TW and it doesnt work, maybe there is someone nice guy who wants to help with converting the models and put them into my submod. there are only 6 models or so.

Link: http://lotr-tw.net/viewforum.php?f=1