Invasion Tactics....

[Deathchant]

I am currently in a predicament in my campaign as Gondor as i am beset on all sides and am struggling to keep Rohan afloat, hold the river border with Mordor and the island and land crossing against Harad.

I am currently the victim of a very unfair INVASION call against East Golgothir (?) and with this am now having to deal with Rhun and Isengard stacks breaching my lines in other areas and moving freely through my territory. I can hold for now but this is not going to last long and is reducing my ability to hit back at Mordor.

Basically with an Invasion does it ever get called off? Or will it carry on until i lose the city. If that is the case i may withdraw into West Golgothir allow East to fall and then attempt to seize it back. Can i wait out and defend against the invasion? will it ever stop?

also

I hate trolls, i was doing so well until they appeared.

[Lordinquisitor]

If there woulnd`t be harder parts, like trolls or invasions, the game would be far too easy and not much fun anymore. So don`t hate trolls but thank them for adding more fun.

Invasions will stop when every invading army is death (Maybe there is an time limit, too.)- So some hard work here. Personally it depends what you do. When the settlement is very important and easy defendable hold it- If not let it fall. Just be carefull, you might suddenly have many ex-invasion armies in the middle of your kingdom, free to attack other settlements.

Tipps against trolls you`ll find in many threads around here.

[jản]

Basically with an Invasion does it ever get called off? Or will it carry on until i lose the city. If that is the case i may withdraw into West Golgothir allow East to fall and then attempt to seize it back. Can i wait out and defend against the invasion? will it ever stop?

invasions will be called of too after a certain amount of turns in which
the settlement that the invasion was called on is not succesfull.

and indeed when no enemy generals that joined the invasion is alive.

I hate trolls, i was doing so well until they appeared.

i love them. they are one of the best elemetns in TATW which is the
big difference to all other mods. if you have trouble with them - i have
made a guide to beat them up real nice.

or you just wait for TATW 1.2 because than you will maybe have some
nice ents to kiss some troll-asses.

[axnsan]

An invasion takes minimum 10 turns. After 10 turn generals can no longer join the invasion, and when all generals that joined previously are dead or the target taken it ends.

[Gothic Revenge]

Well welcome......
You chose a very though faction to play.... Gondor is one of the hardest, as they get the their full share as being attacked by everybody and helped by nobody. What you do now really depends on your economy... are you doing ok or are you running very tight! Teh invasion was called on "East Osgiliath"... which is one of the common invasion tragets by the evil factions. If you can hold it, I would suggest you hold it...... if you can't than it is better to get rid of it for the moment... either it is conquered from you or you also could sell it to one of your allies (most of the time they spawn a great army stack in there) and than position your army right ontop of the bridge. Prepare your army for bridge warfare accordingly and you can stop the floods of evil comming across and have no traoble holding West Osgiliath!!! Don't worry, later you can always reconquer East Osgiliath
Furhtermore you can concentrate on keeping Harad at bay and helping Rohan.......
Invasions stop after a while, because the "failed" and Sauron is not happy with all the factions that failed him. However, rest assured that the next invasion will come soon (10 Turns+).....

[Deathchant]

Well welcome......
What you do now really depends on your economy...

My economy is average, i am generating about £5900 per turn however i fear this is about to lower as Harad have just forced me out of the city on their side of the river bridge
(please forgive me i can remember very few places names!)
I am fielding a stack in Rohan, a stack against Harad (although this is heavily depleated due to the fighting and requires reinforcing) and two x stacks on the Mordor front, one is in East Osgiliath (i have been trying to remember that name all morning !) and the other is harrassing Mordor towards the Black gate although i will be withdrawing it to help deal with the Invasion.

And Hello by the way, i have been watching the forums for weeks but have only recently joined to participate

i love them. they are one of the best elemetns in TATW which is the
big difference to all other mods. if you have trouble with them - i have
made a guide to beat them up real nice.

or you just wait for TATW 1.2 because than you will maybe have some
nice ents to kiss some troll-asses.

I definately do agree with you on that, i have not been this challenged on a campaign for sometime and am really enjoying it! Big respect to all those involved with this Mod. And i will be checking out your suggestions with dealing with Trolls, my main issue at East Osgilith is holding the walls, i cannot see anyway i stopping Trolls once they are on the battlements, the only choice is to fall back...


Thanks to all for the invasion information, i think i will hold East Osgilith and try to beat off the armies, i have heard that assassinating Invasion Generals is a good idea to bring down the entire stacks....?

[Alerob]

Invasions can be very fun. You could just leave the target city to the enemy and retake it a little later. But I would suggest to defend it.
Keep one stack within the walls of target city and one stack in the neighbouring spot exactly besides the city. After the enemy starts besieging your city, you can sally out or attack it with the other army. In that way you will have to fight a big battle with an advantage of 2 vs 1. As the invading armies are approching and fighting your defending forces, your numbers will slowly deplete, so retrain and send reinforcments regularly. Block the possible bridges, as this slows the coming enemy.
I tryed that as Dwarf defending the city of Dale from Dale faction (my ally). With this two vs 1 tactic Dale and I defeated about 8-10 invading armies.

[Lordinquisitor]

Just let east osgiliath fall. Then move your troops on the brigde between the two city parts- bring lots of archers, catapults and fountain guards/similiar. Brigde battles are laughtable easy.

[bentlemp]

I'm by no means an expert on this...I've encountered this exact same invasion and the way I weathered it was to reinforce E Osgiliath (because that's the focus of the invasion), and then attack the weakest opposing force out there with a second force. Because of the invasion, Rohan will be left alone for the most part. So, because I had already blockaded Harad's navy and thus dwindled the income, I sent a second stack (the first going to E Osgiliath as reinforcements the moment the invasion was called) directly at Harad to keep them occupied. Then I only had to deal with an Isengard, Rhun, and Mordor attack. E Osgiliath is fairly easy to defend provided you have enough troops. Just focus on defending the walls, spear wall the gate, and keep those archers humming along. Trolls are tough but you should be able to damage them enough before they get to the walls to at least make them manageable.... just my .02

[MDT]

I have another question.
If the player chooses a good faction, is it possible to force Sauron to declare invasions only on the player faction, to make the game a bit more challenging?
I think of an option to activate a script or such a thing at the beginning of a new campagne.

[jản]

thats right - because remember - if you have cavalry (in a settlements
that is fighting against an enemy) use them to fight outside - especailly
against trolls. because once trolls are on the walls or inside the settlement
cavalry is totally useless against them.

[jản]

hm - i think it is totallyy random - but on edoras apparently
are the most invasions called. but i dont think this can be
changed with every campaign start becasue there is only one
campaign script.

but maybe there could be inserted an if-condition but i dont know.
also i think it is cool the way it is because when sauron calls an
invasion on settlement of a faction that is allied to you, it is fun
to send help and catch up with invading full-stacks. this improves
the relations when you have military acces to them.

[MDT]

also i think it is cool the way it is because when sauron calls an
invasion on settlement of a faction that is allied to you, it is fun
to send help and catch up with invading full-stacks. this improves
the relations when you have military acces to them.

Good point, but as my favorite faction HE for example its impossible to defend let's say E.Osgiliath before its taken. (And if you retake it's hard to just give it away because the victory conditions force you to take so many regions as good player...)
And I still think for the overall difficulty level its harder when the invasions are on the player himself.
My last Gondor campaign was only challenging as log invasions where called upon me, when later edoras fell to one I became in the time without the added difficulty so strong that I could easily win edoras and other settlements back for rohan and take Minas Morgul, what broke mordors power completely..

[Lordinquisitor]

Well MDT the game should be challenging and all but sometimes.. well dare i say it? Well somtimes you win an campaign. Such stuff happens.

[MDT]

Sure, I always win my campaigns and I always want to, but normally, added difficulty is added fun (as long it is not something like having to wait 8 turns till your unit pool is refreshed ( I don't want to say its harder to win with Silvan in RC/RR, it's in fact even easier imo (and I also don't want to say something against RC/RR, if you like it, play it ))).

[Deathchant]

Thanks all for your comments, If i hadnt asked the question i would have abandoned East Osgilith in an attempt to stop the invasions but as it is I have held and the Invasions have now been called off without me losing East Osgilith, in doing so it has brought some memorable moments in the campaign. Routing a full stack Of Orc Maulers/band/raiders before having to hunt one unit of Trolls through the streets of the city was absoloutly brilliant.


I've actually helped Rohan so much they are starting to beat Isenguard without my help (although i keep an eye on them)

A couple of full stacks with seven star generals have just emerged from Mordor, my current strategy is to resist this attack and counterattack in an attempt to seize Minus Morgul whilst using spys to destroy troll cages in a bid to stop them producing as many of them....(i presume this will help?)

[Muffer Nl]

Make sure you go city hopping with you spy and use a lot of them

[STELLover]

I don't know about this but surely for one thing, the AI has changed a lot from vanilla, should I say more smarter?

I played as Gondor. VH/VH difficulty. At turn one, I switched my capital from Minas-Tirith to Dol-Amroth because it was more secure from Gondor, plus my most money making settlement. To my surprise, 10 turns later, invasion was called on Dol-Amroth.

I tested this again, this time I changed my capital to Pinnath-Gelin (Stupid) as expected, invasion was called at turn 12 at Pinnath-Gelin

[Skeleton Of The West]

I don't know about this but surely for one thing, the AI has changed a lot from vanilla, should I say more smarter?

I played as Gondor. VH/VH difficulty. At turn one, I switched my capital from Minas-Tirith to Dol-Amroth because it was more secure from Gondor, plus my most money making settlement. To my surprise, 10 turns later, invasion was called on Dol-Amroth.

I tested this again, this time I changed my capital to Pinnath-Gelin (Stupid) as expected, invasion was called at turn 12 at Pinnath-Gelin

That is surprising, I never saw an invasion being called on one of those regions.

[STELLover]

Yeah maybe- it seems the Dark Lord likes to hit from the core first