[FAILED 07/22/09] [Citizen] Incontinenta Buttox (Patron:CrayonVonCaesar)

**Pontifex Maximus** · July 13, 2009, 06:55 PM

Client: Incontinenta Buttox
I would like to apply for the rank of Citizen.
I have been an enthusiastic member of TW Center for two years since I first discovered this site. I am a big fan of the Total War games. In fact they are the only games I play these days. Seeing "Rome Total War" featured in "Time Commanders" on the BBC inspired me to get a PC. My interest in Total War also coincides with my interest in history and politics.

I would like to be considered for citizenship so I could make a bigger contribution to the evolution of this site. I log onto the TWC on a daily basis and I really like the general vibe and community spirit I think this site has. Other sites dedicated to Total War games do not even come close!

I contribute to debates in the political mudpit quite often. Though I have strong opinions on UK politics and worlds current affairs, I tend to steer clear of the really divisive stuff.
I am regular of the small and friendly community that has grown around Dave Scarface's fantastic "Kingdoms Grand campaign Mod". I have participated in and run hotseat games and was invited to contribute to the development of patch 3.9. This involved long beta-testing and feedback.
I am also a big fan of the "Roma Surrectum" mod, and "Third age Total War" mod. I followed closely the development of the "real combat" and contributed suggestions. This has been a very useful experience for me as I have learned to make my own modifications to the EDU and other text files to tailor the game to my own tastes.

I have maturity with humour and this seems to have been appreciated, as I have accumulated a fair amount of rep points. I think I have what it takes to be a good citizen, and I have read and understand the terms of service, so I know what would be expected of me.

Thank you for considering my application.

Regards
Incontinenta Buttox

Patron: CrayonVonCaesar
Good evening!

I propose the fine upstanding freeman Incontinenta Buttox for Citizenship.

He has been a member since August 2007 and has always shown maturity in his posting.
Along with his love of debate he has been learning how to modify his own game using the tutorials here and is a modder in the making.
I believe he would be a stable and reliable contributer to the curia and a boon to the site in the future. He will be a worthy addition to our ranks and I heartily recommend that he become a full participating member of the TWC.

I am happy and proud to be his patron.

**Soulghast** · July 14, 2009, 01:37 AM

Formatting fixed. Previous attempt here.

**Xavier Dragnesi** · July 14, 2009, 01:43 AM

Hmm. This is another one of those people who does little things here and there, has a great attitude and is polite and active, then seeks citizenship based on a sum of all these little things. It's hard to judge whether he is eligible or not as its difficult to add these things and look at them as a whole. I will do a bit of research, read through his paragraph again, then make a decision.

**Viking Prince** · July 14, 2009, 05:01 AM

I tried to find threads started by the applicant in the D&D forum to see how he managed a discussion from the beginning on a topic of concern 12 were found, but only 4 had more than a sarting post plus perhaps another insignificant post -- newest is last on the list).

How Brown wrecked the UK economy has 12 posts by the applicant that are truly not inspiring

The 1970s retro thread has 5 posts by the applicant, since I participated and was not responded to I will not comment, though the thread went nowhere

How Brown wrecked the UK economy 12 posts by the applicant

Now even "The Sun" has deserted Brown and New Labour 12 posts by the applicant

None of these are really first rate discussions by the applicant, but they are clearly following the spirit as well as the letter of the ToS. His style does not seem to use sourced articles or facts to a great degree. I have not looked into his contributions to discussion not started by the applicant yet (only 23 posts since the last application within D&D).

The first attempt was before my term and there were only 5 polled votes (1Y,3N,1A)

Based on the one thread that I particpated in that the applicant started and the lack of sources and facts to support his positions, I would suggest the applicant cannot rely on D&D alone for citizenship. His contributions to managing hotseat campaigns is good, but not sufficient. I cannot see anything of a contribution regarding the mods other than general commentary. As Xavier Dragnesi has stated, I am having a bit of difficulty to assess the application with bits and pieces scattered.

**the Black Prince** · July 16, 2009, 03:44 PM

This is someone I'm familiar with, but who has never ever struck me as being citizen material. Enthusiastic, active, well known, yes. None of these are criteria for citizenship and I can find little else to recommend him. He's a good member, a nice member, a decent chap, he's mr average poster though.

**Astaroth** · July 17, 2009, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by the Black Prince

This is someone I'm familiar with, but who has never ever struck me as being citizen material. Enthusiastic, active, well known, yes. None of these are criteria for citizenship and I can find little else to recommend him. He's a good member, a nice member, a decent chap, he's mr average poster though.

Seconded. He is generally polite and friendly but his debating is nothing special and he doesn't seem to have contributed much in other areas, either. He has apparently run some hotseat games and was a beta tester for a mod as well but I don't consider that enough for Citizenship. I'll have to go with a no.

**Squid** · July 17, 2009, 10:10 AM

I'm not able to find any basis for voting yes. Having gone through a bunch of his posts there isn't even one that stands out, as such I'm going to have to vote no.

**Viking Prince** · July 18, 2009, 01:26 AM

I have again searched many threads. Another applicant who is likeable, a clear poster, and a polite member. But going on the accepted definition of sufficient contribution to the site that we are working with -- the answer must be no.

**y2day** · July 18, 2009, 09:28 AM

Have to agree with VP's statement.
There really should be a new rank/award for members that fall into this category. Not sure how that would go over in the Curia but I know a few who don't qualify for citizenship but are staples of their respect forums they haunt.

Its a no for me.

**Augustus Lucifer** · July 18, 2009, 09:56 AM

It's probably a good thing I didn't use his profile statistics to search, since he's mainly been active cheering on mods and in hotseats lately. A D&D search for his posts yielded better results, but notably there were a lot of one-liners and the vast majority of them centered on British politics, which makes me wonder if Rome voted yes just because he likes New Labour bashers!

(actually, speak of the devil! Hand in the cookie jar!)

I wonder how we only got 4 votes on the last one. That's odd. Anyways though I think he needs to spend more time debating and if not broaden his scope at least present more academic viewpoints for such a small subject area. That is assuming he doesn't in the future succeed on modding merits, though I can't seem to find what those are so as to encourage pursuit of certain venues in modding.

Overall I think he just needs to pursue something more avidly that interests him and become a major player in it. He's been here for a couple years so he doesn't need more time to simmer or anything, just a matter of a fairly average resume so far. To be honest, the kind of contribution I see from Incontinenta is the kind of thing I think the site should expect from all members, but the non-citizen member standard has fallen a fair bit in the last few years, making the gap between non-citizen and citizen seem wider even though it isn't.