BROKEN CRESCENT - AOR REVISION *Preview*

[GrandViZ]

Roman Empire

Core Regions
Attalia, Constantinople, Laodicea, Nicaea, Nicomedia, Smyrna, Amorium, Dorylaeum, Heraclea

Border Regions
Trabzan, Seleukeia, Sinop, Famagusta, Iraklion, Nicosia, Rhodes, Varna, Adana, Sis, Tarsus, Ankara, Konya, Aqmesqit





Turkish Sultanate

Core Regions
Sivas, Kayseri, Kirsehir, Erzurum, Ankara, Konya, Karaman, Amasia, Dorylaeum, Amorium

Border Regions
Trabzan, Seleukeia, Sinop, Vahka, Diyarbakir, Malatya, Aleppo, Sis, Tarsus, Attalia, Heraclea, Nicaea, Nicomedia, Smyrna





Kingdom of Armenia

Core Regions
Adana, Sis, Tarsus, Vahka, Van, Dvin

Border Regions
Trabzan, Seleukeia, Famagusta, Ani, Yerevan, Tabriz, Malatya, Sivas, Antioch, Erzurum, Karaman






Kingdom of Jerusalem

Core Regions
Acre, Antioch, Jaffa, Tortosa, Tripoli, Tyre, Jerusalem, Kerak

Border Regions
Adana, Sis, Hama, Baalbek, Gaza, Famagusta, Nicosia, Edessa





Ayyubid Sultanate

Core Regions
Alexandria, Damyut, Bilbeis, Qahira, Luxor, Gaza, Jerusalem, Damascus, Homs, Baalbek

Border Regions
Aswan, Tayma, Kerak, Acre, Jaffa, Tortosa, Tripoli, Tyre, Hama





Kingdom of Makuria

Core Regions
Dongola, Faras, Axum, Meroe, Qasr Ibrim

Border Regions
Massawa, Debarwa, Aswan, Calula, Suqutra





Kypchak Confederacy

Core Regions
Magas, Sarkel, Azaq, Caffa, Majar, Samander, Tmurtarakan

Border Regions
Aqmesqit, Belgorod, Derbent, Saqsin, Ryazan, Sokhumi, Tbilisi





Kingdom of Georgia

Core Regions
Sokhumi, Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Telavi

Border Regions
Derbent, Magas, Majar, Tmurtarakan, Ani, Dvin, Yerevan, Baku, Ganja, Shamakha





Abbasid Caliphate

Core Regions
Baghdad, Basra, Wasit, Anbar, Hillah, Samarra

Border Regions
Harran, Mosul, Kirkuk, Kermanshah, Ahwaz, Al Muharraq, Suhar





Imamate of Oman

Core Regions
Nizwa, Muscat, Sur, Suhar, Gwadar

Border Regions
Al Muharraq, Hormuz, Bam, Saravan, Turbat, Salalah





Great Seljuks

Core Regions
Ardabil, Qazvin, Yazd, Hamadan, Isfahan, Rayy, Kermanshah

Border Regions
Bagdhad, Kirkuk, Ahvaz, Tabriz, Baku, Ganja, Shamakha, Kerman, Sari, Damghan, Shiraz, Amol





Khwarezm Shah and Mongols

Core Regions
Khiva, Urgench, Bukhara, Merv, Samarqand, Balkh, Termez

Border Regions
Astrakhan, Gorgan, Mashad, Nishapur, Tus, Herat, Firuzkuh





Ghorid Sultanate

Core Regions
Kabul, Peshawar, Gardez, Ghazni

Border Regions
Bamiyan, Herat, Firuzkuh, Bost, Kandahar, Pindi, Quetta, Bela





Sultanate of Ghazni

Core Regions
Kabul, Bamiyan, Gardez, Ghazni

Border Regions
Peshawar, Herat, Firuzkuh, Bost, Kandahar, Quetta, Bela, Mitankot





Malikate of Sindh

Core Regions
Mansura, Thatta, Sukkur, Kolachee, Uch

Border Regions
Somnath, Kutch, Ajmer, Mitankot, Multan, Lahore





Chauhan Rajputs

Core Regions
Delhi, Jalandhar, Kalinjar, Kannauj, Thanesar


Border Regions
Ajmer, Multan, Lahore, Gwalior





Solanki Rajputs

Core Regions
Dhar, Anhilvara, Mumba, Gwalior, Kutch, Somnath

Border Regions
Thatta, Ajmer, Delhi, Kalinjar, Kannauj

[zmv]

Looking good!
I hope release is close.

[Cochus1]

what can u recruit in border regions?

[GrandViZ]

Border regions will provide limited access to the native unit roster with lower refresh rates for manpower.

[wudang_clown]

Looks very interesting.
My questions-suggestions:
1. What about these settlements: Aden, San'a, Ta'iz, Mecca, Medina? They are more or less important for Muslim history, but they don't seem to be included in AOR system.
2. What about adding Salalah as a core Omani region, and Aden as border region? I mean, Oman is relatively weak for it has almost no choice of armoured units. Maybe it could be balanced by bigger area of recruitment? And again: it is strange, that above mentioned settlements remain unused.

[Achilla]

Now, perhaps I ask too much work from you and it sounds kind-of-rude given the newly work you have decided on ... but I have a suggestion.

The suggestion is to add a one recruitment circle and make border recruitment a bit less restrictive ...

What does this mean? Well, here is a small theoretical model that popped up to my mind, now.

I. Core Regions

- can recruit all native units
- normal replenish rates, normal max unit capacities (e.g. how many unit X you can have at once ... e.g. no more Toxotai units past 4 in a settlement before you recruit at least one of them)

II. Historically Claimed Regions/Conflict Zones

- can recruit all native units with exclusion of elites of the elites (e.g. Pelekyphoroi for ERE)
- a bit worse replenish rates, still normal max unit capacities

III. Past-Border Regions close enough to be influenced without owning them

- can recruit some native units
- noticeably worse replenish rates on native units
- smaller max unit capacity

Historically Claimed Regions/Conflict Zones would include around 70-80% of current Border Regions while Past-Border Regions close enough to be influenced without owning them would be expanded AOR to aid the future conquest a bit, while still making it harder under some logic reasoning.

Example:

Makuria

Past-Border Regions close enough to be influenced without owning them fill up to the north into Ayyubid territory and aid possible naval invasion to the east on lands near Mekka/Medina.

Example 2:

Oman

Past-Border Regions close enough to be influenced without owning them include south-western part of arabian peninsula and a bit of lands west along the coast on their upper part of kingdom (nothing extreme!).

PS. I understand it might look like some sort of fallacy to give too wide AOR (even if in 3 circles) to all factions, but total war games were always about possibilities, not about re-enacting history ... at this point if you assume that for example ERE launched a very successful invasion on Ottomans they would establish some sort of more professional military service in conquered regions far far east from core or even border regions, in spite of population riots and ongoing guerilla fight with Turkish rebellions. Since such conflict was quite possible in reality, you could as well assume that Ottomans should have a third recruitment circle spanning in entire ERE territory and in the north (this time, both historic expansion and possible one!). And it goes like that with all factions ... possibilities! Hope you got my point now. I would like some feedback on my suggestion if that's not too much to ask.

[GrandViZ]

I would like some feedback on my suggestion if that's not too much to ask.

I considered a similiar approach myself, however, there is one major technical issue: the restriction of hidden resources in the descr_regions.txt (64). To define 3 zones for each faction in BC, we would require 50+ resource definitions solely for the AOR system, which is out of scope.

Besides the technical question, I think the new proposal eliminates the harsh restrictions of the release version, and offers all factions enough space for expansion, where they can rely on native units.
You should also note, that the challenge for the human player is derived from the fact that the availability of native units is restricted. If your native units are available in all your conflict zones, the whole purpose of the AOR concept is IMHO diminished.

Regarding the other questions ...

Core Region - Native units (full access)
Border Region - Native units (limited access) and local units (Auxilias, Nobles etc.)
Foreign Region - Local units

The next patch including the updated AOR system will be released before the end of the week.

What about these settlements: Aden, San'a, Ta'iz, Mecca, Medina? They are more or less important for Muslim history, but they don't seem to be included in AOR system.

Well, they provide local units. Adding these regions to either the Ayyubid powerhouse, or the Omani seems not right.

What about adding Salalah as a core Omani region, and Aden as border region?

I will consider it.

[Anaatti]

Nice

[wudang_clown]

I will consider it.

It would be great to expand Omani core/border regions a bit, especially towards south-west.
I agree, that giving those regions to the Ayyubids would be wrong. But on the other hand, it's a pity that so many "symbolic" Arabian regions aren't ascribed to any particular state. Well, I suppose that's the cost of game balance.
Anyway, your new concept of AOR is great.

[merlinuscdxx]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I considered a similiar approach myself, however, there is one major technical issue: the restriction of hidden resources in the descr_regions.txt (64). To define 3 zones for each faction in BC, we would require 50+ resource definitions solely for the AOR system, which is out of scope.

Besides the technical question, I think the new proposal eliminates the harsh restrictions of the release version, and offers all factions enough space for expansion, where they can rely on native units.
You should also note, that the challenge for the human player is derived from the fact that the availability of native units is restricted. If your native units are available in all your conflict zones, the whole purpose of the AOR concept is IMHO diminished.

Regarding the other questions ...

Core Region - Native units (full access)
Border Region - Native units (limited access) and local units (Auxilias, Nobles etc.)
Foreign Region - Local units

The next patch including the updated AOR system will be released before the end of the week.



Well, they provide local units. Adding these regions to either the Ayyubid powerhouse, or the Omani seems not right.



I will consider it.

This looks just about perfect. Exactly how I'd envision such a grand project.

[Strelac]

Awesome GV!

[AnthoniusII]

I beleive that this new version will add maximum realism to the game !
It is to the right direction!

[Cromagnon2]

Looks neat! So Armenia will be split into two main regions?
Is that for gameplay purposes??

Kingdom of Armenia

Core Regions
Adana, Sis, Tarsus, Vahka, Van, Dvin

Cant rep again.

[cherryfunk]

[Andor]

intresting, looks great...

[tibu17]

This update in new patch?

[Heinz Guderian]

Oh Lord. Rep for my bruder.

[JonathanB]

Sweet action. The best mod ever keeps improving. Keep up the great work BC Team!!!!

[Son of Mao]

Nice Work, What will recruitment be like outside of those borders?

[Uandwhosearmy]

Brilliant revision GrandViZ! Looking forward to it.

Nice Work, What will recruitment be like outside of those borders?

I would guess it will be like the AOR specified in the preview for 2.0.