To act without evidence.

[Desperado †]

If God transcends existence, then he cannot be proven or dis-proven, not even to a marginal amount. Hence acting upon the blind faith with which you hold him to be definitely true/untrue is completely illogical. Thus we should believe nothing - that is, don't believe he does or doesn't exist, just leave it and get on with life.

Skepticism wins.

[Helm]

Skepticism wins.

Or at least it would if human were any different.

[♔Jean-Luc Picard♔]

That works if you leave human nature out of the equation. Go Vulcan powers!

[MaximiIian]

That'd work fine is everyone was exactly the same and had the exact same personal experiences.
But, they don't. People will hold different opinions than yours, and it doesn't harm anyone if they do.

[Desperado †]

Gravity can't be prove even to a marginal amount because of the unification problem of all the sciences.

However, some people feel the evidence is sufficient to believe in it. Just as some people feel three miracles in one day happening to them coming from a dude with a beard who periodically speaks to them is evidence enough.

Gravity can most definitely be proven, simply nobody knows what it is.

[Playfishpaste]

If God transcends existence, then he cannot be proven or dis-proven, not even to a marginal amount. Hence acting upon the blind faith with which you hold him to be definitely true/untrue is completely illogical. Thus we should believe nothing - that is, don't believe he does or doesn't exist, just leave it and get on with life.

Skepticism wins.

Gravity can't be prove even to a marginal amount because of the unification problem of all the sciences.

However, some people feel the evidence is sufficient to believe in it. Just as some people feel three miracles in one day happening to them coming from a dude with a beard who periodically speaks to them is evidence enough.

[Helm]

Gravity can't be prove even to a marginal amount because of the unification problem of all the sciences.

If you want proof of gravity you could try jumping out of your window.

[Playfishpaste]

If you want proof of gravity you could try jumping out of your window.

That's not even close to proof.

Jesus talking to you on the other hand...

[basics]

" If God transcends existence, then he cannot be proven or dis-proven, not even to a marginal amount. Hence acting upon the blind faith with which you hold him to be definitely true/untrue is completely illogical."

Desperado,

Faith is not blind. Faith is that gifted to the receiver upon rebirth, being born again, you know... that life changing experience that certain people go through in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ that proves to them there is a God. The change that sees only their Saviour living as they are now living, He in them and them in Him. Fantastic but true.

[Dr. Croccer]

This doesn't take in acount the belief that God IS existence.

''God and all attributes of God are eternal.

By eternity I mean existence itself, in so far as it is conceived necessarily to follow solely from the definition of that which is eternal.
Explanation — Existence of this kind is conceived as an eternal truth, like the essence of a thing, and, therefore, cannot be explained by means of continuance or time, though continuance may be conceived without a beginning or end. ''

-Baruch Spinoza

[Helm]

There's nothing stopping anyone from claiming that all existence is God, and it's difficult to put up an argument against that. Though of course you could also claim that all existence is in fact the FSM, it will work with anything.

[Chaigidel]

no you cant claim it is the FSM, must I explain this again to you?

Flying spaghetti monster puts 3 parameters upon the thing by its name alone, it must fly, it must be spaghetti and regarded as a monster, spaghetti is a human invention with testable parameters, since there are no aware spaghettis, you cannot claim that FSM is in any way justifiable.

on the other hand since God has a qualifier of being outside of understanding due to an infinite nature you cannot; FSM is meant to be an insult, and nothing more.

it is more athiest autofellatio.

regardless of facts the atheists suck on.

[Helm]

But God is a human invention as well that's the thing, and this God will also have certain parameters, say he has to be all powerful for instance, and he's the source of all that is good and all the rest of it.

[Helm]

Well God technically sees and knows all, so he would see this thread. To mention unbelievers would go to hell if what they say is true, so no need to joke.

[Dead Sun]

Not everyone believes god is transcendent, some believe he is imminent and omnipresent, and to some God's existence cannot be questioned.
If you wanna go ahead and believe nothing, then take with it
Altruism
Good nature
Love
Peace
Beauty
Art
Creation
Evolution
Science

and a lot of other stuff.

[Tankbuster]

Not everyone believes god is transcendent, some believe he is imminent and omnipresent, and to some God's existence cannot be questioned.
If you wanna go ahead and believe nothing, then take with it
Altruism
Good nature
Love
Peace
Beauty
Art
Creation
Evolution
Science

and a lot of other stuff.

And why would we do that?

[blackwatersix]

If "God" transcends existence and thus cannot be proven nor dis-proven, then logic does not apply. Why insist on applying logic when your assumption assumes that logic cannot be used?

or something like that. This sounds much better in my adopted language.

[Dead Sun]

Because Desperado specifically says "Thus we should believe nothing" in context with God. The idea of God entails a whole lot of ideals with it, pieces of art created in his name, theories disprove him or ennoble him, creations from him and by him.

[Tankbuster]

Because Desperado specifically says "Thus we should believe nothing" in context with God.

So far so good.

The idea of God entails a whole lot of ideals with it,

Really?
It entails the illusion of cosmic significance, perhaps (but not even in all cases).
But it does not entail love, empathy or any such thing. And even if it did, you can have all those ideals without god.

pieces of art created in his name,

And why wouldn't we be able to appreciate those without believing in God?
I can also appreciate the Pantheon in Athens without believing in the Greek Gods.

theories disprove him or ennoble him,

Again, how does not believing in God disable us from studying these theories?

creations from him and by him.

He has done no creations to my knowledge, since he doesn't exist. So I'm not leaving any 'creations from him' behind.

If "God" transcends existence and thus cannot be proven nor dis-proven, then logic does not apply. Why insist on applying logic when your assumption assumes that logic cannot be used?

or something like that. This sounds much better in my adopted language.

What else could we use?

[♔Jean-Luc Picard♔]

Actually, he has a point. If we were to totally discard God from the equation that is life, a lot of things we have will lose meaning. Art stands out from most of the others due to many references to God or gods in art. It is true that some art is based purely on people, but so much would be lost if we took deities out of it. What would the Parthenon or St. Peter's Basilica mean without anybody referencing their beliefs in the deities they were created for? They would be pretty buildings with no meaning.