America's war in Afghanistan and Iraq, war on terror or a crusade?

[Heathen Hammer]

Afghanistan could be (sort of) justified. Iraq was purely an invasion for resources. It was neither crusade nor war on terror.

[Downey]

Salah why would you side with the side that kills the most Muslims? The terrorists kill the most Muslims, they brought the war to Afghanistan, and you back them? Open your eyes, if the US wanted to dominate the middle east, we could easily. We dont want Iraq or Afghanistan as a state, we want them to join the rest of the world in the 21st century. Your a disgrace to all the Muslim-Americans fighting in uniform fighting for their people, your a disgrace to all the Iraqi and Afghan soldiers who have died protecting their country.

If the Muslims really saw the wars as a crusade it would be 100x more violent, but a silent majority is able to see it as good for their country for them to be independent. I dont know if that means anything to your hate filled eyes, but you spend too much time blaming the West instead of trying to make Muslim countries better.

So answer me, who is hurting the Muslim world more?

[s.rwitt]

What the hell is there to crusade for in Afghanistan? I don't know who put that idea into your head, but you should promptly slap them.

Afghanistan could be (sort of) justified. Iraq was purely an invasion for resources. It was neither crusade nor war on terror.

And how many resources have we taken from Iraq? Not bought. Taken.

Ahh, why am I asking you, you have no ****ing clue...nevermind...

[Visna]

Where is the "Neither" option?

[Applesmack]

What the hell is there to crusade for in Afghanistan? I don't know who put that idea into your head, but you should promptly slap them.



And how many resources have we taken from Iraq? Not bought. Taken.

Ahh, why am I asking you, you have no ****ing clue...nevermind...

Personally, I don't think that Iraq was a war for resources, but a war of pure imperialistic agression to expand US influence and destroy hostile regimes. Afghanistan I actually support, Iraq I did not and do not.

[Heathen Hammer]

And how many resources have we taken from Iraq? Not bought. Taken.

Sure. You bought it. I might as well go into your house with a gun and "buy" your things as well. Don't forget, you've ing invaded the ing country.

[Gertrudius]

Sure. You bought it. I might as well go into your house with a gun and "buy" your things as well. Don't forget, you've ing invaded the ing country.

Considering that the proportion of Iraqi oil has not shifted significantly in total percentage of US oil imports, your comparison not only does not hold water, it's not even a realistic model with which to compare because it is a fundamentally different scenario for a few thousand reasons. If you have point to make, I would really appreciate a reasonable logical construct backed by conventional evidence wherever possible.

Take it easy,

[sabaku_no_gaara]

I don't remember the pope calling the Christian world to go and fight the "heathens" in Iraq and Afghanistan in the name of the Holy Cross, so calling this a crusade is wrong

[Downey]

All you have to do with a uneducated populace is say that its anther "crusade against Muslims" and some ignorant moron will go join a terrorist group, Terrorists want to link this as much as they can to a crusade.

[Giuliano Taverna]

Ok first off any rapes or murders that may have taken place were illegal, and punished. Nato does not engage in rape, murder, or plunder as a policy, in fact we have severe consequences for soldiers that engage in those acts.

Second, Muslims are totally free to worship in not only occupied territories in the middle east, but in all nato countries. In my home state of Massachusetts a brand new mosque was just put up by the local Muslim community. To suggest that there is any hostility towards Islam in American policy is absurd.

The policy of my country and of nato is hostility towards jihad and Islamic fundamentalism, not to Muslims and the various peoples of the middle east. We have at various times protects Muslims from Christians and other Muslims. Bosnia, and Kuwait are classic examples. Furthermore America sacrificed thousands of lives to secure democracy and security for the people of Iraq and we continue to sacrifice for those in Afghanistan. We have gained absolutely nothing by our action, certainly not conversation to Christianity. After all America has no state religion, we are no more Christian than we are any other religion. If we bring anything to the middle east, it is democracy, capitalism, and secular law.

[Nikos]

Of course it's a Crusade! George Bush amassed the piety needed and called it in 2003. It worked out well, he gained "The True Cross" ancillary!

Seriously though, the OP's posts are ridiculous to say the least. The wars in the Middle East can in no way be compared to the Crusades. to do so is just a lie based in ignorance.

[Justinian]

A crusade for oil, maybe.

[Razor]

A crusade for oil, maybe.

which is not a crusade in religious terms...

[s.rwitt]

Nor very easily proven considering the fact that gas prices really haven't changed too much.

Oh yeah, and the fact that there is no ****ing oil in Afghanistan....

[ivan_the_terrible]

Nor very easily proven considering the fact that gas prices really haven't changed too much.

Oh yeah, and the fact that there is no ****ing oil in Afghanistan....

I doubt that those who orchestrated the (Iraq) war were too worried about petrol prices. Or the masses in general. I'd say the war was designed to benefit a very specific, and relatively small portion of the American population.

[s.rwitt]

Ah. So anytime any country invades anyone and then trades with them it's an invasion for resources. Gotcha.

Your point, as usual, dosen't hold any water. Hey, at least you're consistent.

[Confederate Jeb]

It is a war on terror.

[patrick1191]

How much money have we spent on Iraq so far? 800 billion? This has got to be the most expensive free oil I have ever heard of!

[Gertrudius]

It is a war on terror.

Define War on Terror and why you believe these wars fit it's criteria.

How much money have we spent on Iraq so far? 800 billion? This has got to be the most expensive free oil I have ever heard of!

Exactly. Free oil that doesn't show up in the department of energy statistics and what must be on the order of several hundred thousand barrels of oil magically appear somewhere in the US but is completely undocumented because their is no record of it being here, and their is no record of it's transit. It's just evil sneaky America and it's violent imperialistic agenda burying the mountain of evidence.

Or it could quite possibly be that circumstances are much more as they appear, and that it's not a massive conspiracy. What am I saying? That would be no fun at all and we must continue to propagate wildly speculative theories.

Take it easy,

[s.rwitt]

Or it could quite possibly be that circumstances are much more as they appear, and that it's not a massive conspiracy. What am I saying? That would be no fun at all and we must continue to propagate wildly speculative theories.

Right. It's like 9/11. It's no fun unless you can find a conspiracy behind it.