Good factions: battles way too easy?

[Maizel]

It might be me, but I find that the unit's of most good factions are far superior to those of the evil factions, especially in the early stages. Even with their greater number, I usually beat them like 5 to 1.

I would suggest to scale back the good guy's unit sizes.

What are your experiences?

[Hartassen]

I think they should raise the orcs stats a bit, keep their high numbers. Try to make it so the enemy attacks more with full stacks then sometimes with like 3-4 units. OOTMM are a perfect choice for this, yeah they suck and should have high numbers true, but they suck vs good soldiers, not vs town militias... Also they already have twice the numbers of most units, just make them a bit better and more expensive, as it is now ootmm can field like 1 stack each turn and that makes for so many long unnecessary battles as they just keep coming at you with half stacks and stuff. It's especially annoying as silvan elves and high elves, but also as eriador or dwarves.

[Ranger of Ithilien]

well...the battles are that way... the good factions have much better troops but less numbers and while defending it isn't a problem. But in VH attacking is very difficult and, in addition the enemy have scripted cities. For me, the major problem is that the orcs don't use their archers... they put them on hand to hand combat... But in VH/VH with RC/RR it is not that easy to defend yourself against the enemy (at least against mordor playing as gondor). When i lost cair andros i won 7 heroic battles ( the wins are always heroic because the game calculate it by the numbers, not troop quality) and finaly they took the city.. but they never gave a time to me to breath... if a siege breaks, at the same turn, they attack again, so i had no time to retrain my troops.... if u do not use any cheat, the game gets preety challenging (vh/vh with rc/rr).

[Maizel]

Meh the the orcs don't make up their far inferior quality with their numbers.

I find attacking or defending on hard, with the better good factions (elves, dwarves, Gondor. Rohan) to be a cakewalk oh vh/vh

I actually think orcs should be a little cheaper.

[jinjo]

Ranger of Ithilien i agree with u
i had same situation with rohan

[Skeleton Of The West]

Orcs should not be stronger, forces of good's units supposed to be stronger than orcs, maybe orcs should cost less, but not to make them stronger.

[Maizel]

Orcs should not be stronger, forces of good's units supposed to be stronger than orcs, maybe orcs should cost less, but not to make them stronger.

That depends though.

I do think Uruks should be a stronger than the avarage Human.

[Skeleton Of The West]

That depends though.

I do think Uruks should be a stronger than the avarage Human.

I was refering to Orcs, not Uruks. Uruks are more powerful that is correct, and you see it in the mod too, Isengard's heavy Uruks are very strong.

[Soul Firez]

maizel are you using rc/rr ?? because if you are you will find that yes you will slaughter orcs but they cost almost nothing to replace have huge recruitment pools where in reverse the good guys troops are expensive and very low recruitment pool meaning every man you loose really hurts as they are hard to replace

playing gondor with rc/rr lore edition is no cake walk sure you slaughter them at first but they wear you down mordor will be throwing stack after stack at your 1/3 stack and before you know it without good play you will end swamped by evil orcs to your eye balls LOL and even mordors uruks by lore are weaker than men only isengards uruk hai are comparable to men in strength and they certainly are mean mother but hey then you might just be a much much better player than me but i amnot finding vhvh with rc/rr lore edition a cake walk LOL

[Hartassen]

Orcs already cost nothing, they field so many full stacks they never give you time to breath, orcs aren't the best fighters they should be cut down by gondor infantry, spearmen, archers etc, but militia men should be their equals, town militias of like eriador shouldn't be able to kill orcs, so instead of having them raise 3 full stacks vs your 1 full stack make them a bit stronger and cost more so they field less armies but still have overwhelming numbers.

[Ranger of Ithilien]

i agree with soul firez.. rc/rr makes the game very challenging..

[Swanny777]

I think Good vs Evil made things hard for me. Rather than simming for 15 turns without seeing a non-rebel enemy, I was attacked on turn 4.

[johannlo]

I'm playing H/H as high elves w/ RR+RC mod and no I don't think its too easy.

Individual battles may be easy.
Campaign is not at all because you are facing ridiculous odds time after time again. When you have to attack it gets worse (defending on a hill is, as 4chan would put it, the lulz)

As others have pointed out, despite winning heroic victory after heroic victory, the evil factions get to spam endless cheap stacks - as HE you can only recruit ONE unit every 9 turns, so unless you are getting 10:1 or better ratios, forget about it lol. Its a real change from normal total war

[OfficerJohn]

Faramir:

"They can afford to lose an army, we can barely take to lose a company."
(I think... translation from Norwegian and all, but...)

[axnsan]

2 full stacks of orcs can pretty easily take down a full stack of gondorians, if it wasn't for my uber strategic skill

[Staffen]

Play battles on medium.

Seriously, on medium difficulty morale, dread and chivalry have a smaller influence ... even for the AI. That means that a rear charge, for instance, is less likely to cause a rout. I found that playing battles on medium gives my opponents more staying power, adding to the challenge somewhat.

This could all be a weird placebo effect or some quirk in my playing style, but throughout the entire TW series I've always found VH battles easier to win than medium ones.

[Bela]

Play battles on medium.

Seriously, on medium difficulty morale, dread and chivalry have a smaller influence ... even for the AI. That means that a rear charge, for instance, is less likely to cause a rout. I found that playing battles on medium gives my opponents more staying power, adding to the challenge somewhat.

This could all be a weird placebo effect or some quirk in my playing style, but throughout the entire TW series I've always found VH battles easier to win than medium ones.

About 80% agree to you. But on medium, your archers (as I've experienced) do more damage to the foe but suffer less from them. Same about the infantry. But cavalry charge works exactly as you have told. And the enemy routs more often on easier diffulty levels.

[Mystific]

Play battles on medium.

Seriously, on medium difficulty morale, dread and chivalry have a smaller influence ... even for the AI. That means that a rear charge, for instance, is less likely to cause a rout. I found that playing battles on medium gives my opponents more staying power, adding to the challenge somewhat.

This could all be a weird placebo effect or some quirk in my playing style, but throughout the entire TW series I've always found VH battles easier to win than medium ones.

I also play battles on med, and campaign on VH. Only thing I really hated about battles on VH was that your own units have far worse morale than the enemy (I was Gondor).

[Momus]

It might be me, but I find that the unit's of most good factions are far superior to those of the evil factions, especially in the early stages. Even with their greater number, I usually beat them like 5 to 1.

I would suggest to scale back the good guy's unit sizes.

What are your experiences?

What difficulty are you using? I'm playing VH/VH and I always win by a lot, but it takes load of hard work, micro management of units and tactics! I had a pretty epic battle that took about 1hr/1hr15mins!! Had to do so much for this win!
Here is the link to the first screen with the listing of each sides numbers.......
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/album...ictureid=20058

but flick thru if you have 5 mins!

I find it a challenge and I reli enjoy it, esp when I lose but a few. "A victory is twice itself if you bring home full numbers" - I cant for the life of me remember who said that but hey its vaguely on topic!

My generals helped so much to hold the line when things started to look hairy but it was all sorted out in the end

[Downey]

Playing against trolls I seem to loose the whole "blitz" feeling.