need help city to castle modification

**kensai_loki** · July 04, 2009, 11:09 PM

hello there.
i was trying to change a minor city to a castle or fortress hopefully but no can do.
i did a little modding or tweaking the EDB [export descr buildings] file and i believe i got it right after 20 mins.
BUT
the game wouldnt start up pass the loading page and the log file stops at....
22:26:13.109 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_0.pack
22:26:13.109 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_1.pack
22:26:13.109 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_2.pack
22:26:13.125 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_3.pack
22:26:13.125 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/data_4.pack
22:26:13.125 [system.io] [always] mounted pack packs/localized.pack

now i believe that if there is an error on the script it would point out the reason and even the location of the error. but it just stops there.
i dont comprehend if theres no explanation....

here is the modifications i made below that leads to an unexplained no go.

building convert_to_castle
{
convert_to convert_to_city
levels village_to_wooden_castle small_town_to_stone_keep large_town_to_castle city_to_fortress

city_to_castle [or fortress] city requires factions { northern_european, mesoamerican, middle_eastern, eastern_european, greek, southern_european, }
{
convert_to 2 [or 3]
capability
{
}
material wooden
construction 8
cost 15000
settlement_min city [ minor_city here leads to an error]
upgrades
{

any ideas?
please do help....
thank u for your time.

ps should i have posted this in the mod forum?

and im running on ss6.1

**Caesar Clivus** · July 04, 2009, 11:14 PM

Kensai I'm pretty sure that there are limitations to which settlement levels can be converted but I cant remember which specifically. I'll move this thread to the Mod Workshop because a lot more modders hang out there than here.

**kensai_loki** · July 04, 2009, 11:19 PM

ok thanks.
me hopes the answer is more forthcoming with all the talent around....

**Gigantus** · July 05, 2009, 12:53 AM

I might be misunderstanding this, but what exactly are you trying to achieve?

1. Changing the conversion
2. Changing the city

**kensai_loki** · July 05, 2009, 01:04 AM

im trying to change the city into a fortress.
thats all.
no such luck so far...
any idea what went wrong?

**Gigantus** · July 05, 2009, 02:59 AM

Then you are working with the wrong file. To change an individual city, you will need to change the entry in the descr_strat.txt file. As an example I am using London from Vanilla:

Before

Code:

settlement
{
    level city
    region London_Province

    year_founded 0
    population 6000
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator england
    building
    {
        type core_building stone_wall
    }
}

After

Code:

settlement castle
{
    level city
    region London_Province

    year_founded 0
    population 6000
    plan_set default_set
    faction_creator england
    building
    {
        type core_castle_building fortress
    }
}

**Augustus Lucifer** · July 05, 2009, 04:10 AM

I think he means he wants to let Cities become Fortresses by converting them using the conversion buildings in a campaign. If so, your main problem is there's no such thing as "minor_city". The levels are:

village
town
large_town
city
large_city
huge_city

So the one you're looking for is city. The conversion lines read the building entries of the connected tree, with the first entry being 0. So convert_to 0 = motte and bailey, convert_to 1 = wooden castle, convert_to 2 = castle, convert_to 3 = fortress, convert_to 4 = citadel.

I'd guess your problem was simply that you had minor_city instead of just city, the rest of it should conceivably work and many others have included further conversion chains(I personally removed castles from my mod).

**kensai_loki** · July 05, 2009, 06:46 AM

well actually i already knew that theres no such thing as a minor city in the script.
because an error log would point that out to me.
i put in city and the log would just stop at the above example without stating a reason why the game stopped loading.
and i put 3 too at the convert value for fortress of course

and yup, [gigantus]
i was trying to change cities to castles or fortress during the game.
problem is once the city becomes a city, the option to change is taken away....

**axnsan** · July 05, 2009, 08:09 AM

As far as I know settlement converting is hardcoded

**Gigantus** · July 05, 2009, 08:57 AM

As far as I know settlement converting is hardcoded

Check the end of the EDB to be shown otherwise:

Code:

building convert_to_castle
{
    convert_to convert_to_city
    levels village_to_wooden_castle small_town_to_stone_keep large_town_to_castle

AND

Code:

building convert_to_city
{
    convert_to convert_to_castle
    levels wooden_castle_to_village stone_keep_to_small_town castle_to_large_town large_castle_to_city fortress_to_city

**axnsan** · July 05, 2009, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by gigantus

Check the end of the EDB to be shown otherwise:

Code:

building convert_to_castle
{
    convert_to convert_to_city
    levels village_to_wooden_castle small_town_to_stone_keep large_town_to_castle

AND

Code:

building convert_to_city
{
    convert_to convert_to_castle
    levels wooden_castle_to_village stone_keep_to_small_town castle_to_large_town large_castle_to_city fortress_to_city

Yeah, but all people who i heard of trying to modify that got CTD's...

**kensai_loki** · July 05, 2009, 12:07 PM

wats a ctd?
and gigantus dude. i already did the change as shown in my first post.
building convert_to_castle
{
convert_to convert_to_city
levels village_to_wooden_castle small_town_to_stone_keep large_town_to_castle city_to_fortress

sooooo..........
anymore suggestions?

**Gigantus** · July 05, 2009, 01:45 PM

Theses are the last lines from my trace log after entering the same lines. Guess it looks for those TGA files in the ui folder for the city conversion (which are obvoiusly not there).

Code:

00:11:56.261 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/Test_Map/data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle.tga
00:11:56.261 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle.tga (from: packs/data_2.pack)
00:11:56.261 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/Test_Map/data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle_constructed.tga
00:11:56.262 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle_constructed.tga (from: packs/data_2.pack)
00:11:56.262 [system.io] [info] exists: missing mods/Test_Map/data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/construction/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle.tga
00:11:56.262 [system.io] [info] exists:   found data/ui/middle_eastern/buildings/construction/#middle_eastern_large_town_to_castle.tga (from: packs/data_2.pack)

**EarendilElenthol** · July 05, 2009, 06:47 PM

CTD means crash to desktop, CTM means crash to menu, the main errors that the engine will give.

You forget to edit the export_buildings in /mod/data/text I'm afraid.
The thing wont even open the main screen when you miss that. Adding a conversion possibility is regarded by the engine as a building with a effect if I'm not mistaken, and this fault is the consequence of a building missing the export_buildings data (in combination with a missing .tga? I'm not sure if it will use default settings for .tga).

Ran across this problem a couple of days ago when I started to mod the EDB, and it took some time for me to figure out exactly which of all the possible errors I encounterd and what the solution would be.

**Gigantus** · July 05, 2009, 09:41 PM

I am getting old, that is the fault obviously.

**Augustus Lucifer** · July 05, 2009, 10:01 PM

Missing TGA should be irrelevant. All TGAs should default to the generic building look if they lack an image.

**kensai_loki** · July 06, 2009, 03:03 AM

hmmmmm....
wat to do now?....
wat do i do.....

**EarendilElenthol** · July 06, 2009, 04:49 AM

It's easy

Just follow this tut: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=77577 but only step 1, 2 and 7 (8 and 9 may be useful as well) of the part "adding a new guild". You dont need the rest.