[Science] no Etruscan link to modern Tuscans

[DAVIDE]

Study shows genetic discontinuity with Bronze Age people

(ANSA) - Florence, July 3 - The current population of Tuscany is not descended from the Etruscans, the people that lived in the region during the Bronze Age, a new Italian study has shown.

Researchers at the universities of Florence, Ferrara, Pisa, Venice and Parma discovered the genealogical discontinuity by testing samples of mitochondrial DNA from remains of Etruscans and people who lived in the Middle Ages (between the 10th and 15th centuries) as well as from people living in the region today.

While there was a clear genetic link between Medieval Tuscans and the current population, the relationship between modern Tuscans and their Bronze Age ancestors could not be proven, the study showed.

''Some people have hypothesised that the most ancient DNA sequences, those from the Etruscan era, could contain errors or have been contaminated but tests conducted with new methods exclude this,'' said David Caramelli of Florence University and Guido Barbujani of Ferrara University.

''The most simple explanation is that the structure of the Tuscan population underwent important demographic changes in the first millennium before Christ,'' they said.

''Immigration and forced migration have diluted the Etruscan genetic inheritance so much as to make it difficult to recognise''.

The scientific data does not necessarily mean that the Etruscans died out, the researchers said.

Teams from Florence and Ferrara universities are working to identify whether traces of the Etruscans' genetic inheritance may still exist in people living in isolated locations in the region.

The new study is published online by the scientific journal Molecular Biology and Evolution.

The Etruscans lived mainly between the rivers Tiber and Arno in modern-day Umbria, Lazio and Tuscany, in the first millennium BC.

By the sixth century BC they had become the dominant force in central Italy, but repeated attacks from Gauls and Syracusans later forced them into an alliance with the embryonic Roman state, which gradually absorbed Etruscan civilization.

Most of what is known about the Etruscans derives from archaeology as the few accounts passed down by Roman historians tend to be hostile, portraying them as gluttonous and lecherous.

This problem is compounded by the fact that Etruscan cities were built almost entirely of wood and so vanished quickly, leaving little for archaeologists to investigate.



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[MathiasOfAthens]

I think its highly unlikely that any ancient group living in Italy can still be traced to modern Italians. The amount of conflict and devastation that peninsula faced following the fall of Rome leads otherwise.

[DAVIDE]

exactly. Impossible to trace genetics on that

[Caesar Germanico]

I think its highly unlikely that any ancient group living in Italy can still be traced to modern Italians. The amount of conflict and devastation that peninsula faced following the fall of Rome leads otherwise.

maybe true but i have always thought that the relation between modern italians and the romanici living in the italian peninsula during the late imperial age was very strong

[Jlop985]

It's hard to believe that the modern Tuscans are not related at all to the ancient Etruscans. Maybe it is that there has been so much migration and admixture of other groups in Italy that the Etruscan genetic signature is diluted.

[Phier]

Disappointing I always found the Etruscan's an interesting civilization.

[Imperial Glory]

same

[Admiral Piett]

Probably have more in common with Goths now right?

[bleach]

Probably have more in common with Goths now right?

WHat? Ahh no, I don't think you realize how small most historical migrations. Like a few tens of thousands of people who were rapidly swallowed whole, demographically, by the millions they settled amongst...the American colonization is a rare anomaly since so many natives died of disease, but in the Old World the diseases tended to affect everyone equally and populations have been more consistant over time, until the mass transit modern era..

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...n-of-distance/

Italy does not cluster with Scandinavia, or hell even with Germany.


The key I think people are missing here is that the Etruscans themselves were almost certainly colonists from Asia Minor over an Umbrian native populace... probably only the elites of that society were properly 'Etruscans' (although who knows how many others may have converted to the culture during their period of dominance) and therefore were demographically/genetically insignificant in the long run.

[Last Roman]

The key I think people are missing here is that the Etruscans themselves were almost certainly colonists from Asia Minor over an Umbrian native populace... probably only the elites of that society were properly 'Etruscans' (although who knows how many others may have converted to the culture during their period of dominance) and therefore were demographically/genetically insignificant in the long run.

Seems like a probable theory.

[Basil II the B.S]

Hardly surprising. I read somewhere that less than 17% of Italians can trace themselves back to ancient Romans. I may remember incorrectly though.