Keeping this poll short and to the point.
Oh yes please I like a bit of that
Oh no thank you I'd rather give that a miss
Dux Limitis
Socialism?
Keeping this poll short and to the point.
Triggering
Re: Socialism?
While of course I voted against it, a 'bit' of socialism is rather...vague.
I'm sure I'm for a 'bit' here and there. I just balk when the bits become bites.
"When I die, I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like Fidel Castro, not screaming in terror, like his victims."
My shameful truth.
Re: Socialism?
No.
Petit Burgués
Re: Socialism?
Yeah, and a little more than bit a whole piece of the great socialism cake.
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Dux Limitis
Re: Socialism?
No thanks, I already got enough. I don't need too much nor too little. Only uncivilised fools believe in laissez-faire capitalism or a completely Socialist economy anyway.
Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Protector Domesticus
Re: Socialism?
amin to that !
Dux Limitis
Re: Socialism?
The sad part about a statement like this is that I'd venture you realy couldn't delve down beyond the surface as to why one may be better or worse than the other, much less why the optimal mix is so great.No thanks, I already got enough. I don't need too much nor too little. Only uncivilised fools believe in laissez-faire capitalism or a completely Socialist economy anyway.
Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.
Dux Limitis
Re: Socialism?
Indeed. It's better to have a bit too much Socialism than a bit too less. Look at the difference between the US which has a few Socialist elements and Sweden which has a lot more. It's an optimal mix not when the two are balanced out, but which is the least noticeable.
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.
Jajem ssoref is m'n korewE goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtompWer niks is, hot kawsones
Domesticus
Re: Socialism?
no thanks. I like making my own money, not everyone else's.
Praepositus
Re: Socialism?
But your life is far easier because you live off the backs of others thousands of miles away. I'm sure they'd like to be making their own lives rather than ours easier, but they aren't at the top of the capitalist pyramid and so have little choice.
From silence
Re: Socialism?
Bingo. To think you can do anything completely on your own is pretty wishful thinking.
They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more.
Praepositus
Re: Socialism?
Yes. And those that think they are rich in the West simply because of their own hard work are often pretty deluded to the exploitation of the international Capitalist market.
Dux Limitis
Re: Socialism?
But what if by making other's money you can increase your own amount of money?no thanks. I like making my own money, not everyone else's.
Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.
Domesticus
Re: Socialism?
It would be nice if the world worked that way, but it doesn't. I'll keep what's mine and you can keep what is yours.
Dux Limitis
Re: Socialism?
The multiplier effect, the more money spent in the economy the more money people have in their pockets to buy nice things and boost sales which in turn have their own nice little ripple effects and generate lots of money all across the board.It would be nice if the world worked that way, but it doesn't. I'll keep what's mine and you can keep what is yours.
Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.
From silence
Re: Socialism?
The "trickle down" theory is pretty fail because it essentially grants power the the people who start "the trickle". Not to mention it ASSUMES that money is continuing to flow when the wealthy may just very well hold on to it (like in times of a bad economy...) which causes money to pool and the economy fails anyways. Overall, laissez-faire is almost fully "pro wealthy" idea, despite what people would like to believe.
They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more.
Campidoctor
Re: Socialism?
My thing is government intervention stabilizes but stagnates an economy. Laissez-faire policies allow strong growth but also enable boom and bust cycles. Unfettered and completely unregulated capitalism essentially allows the aggregation of wealth to a small amount of 'winners'. Everything needs a mix, my personal philosophy believes some redistribution of wealth is necessary to allow a meritocracy to be maintained. Large amounts of inheritable wealth is dangerous because its eventual conclusion will be some kind of aristocracy. etc...... The maintenance of a meritocracy is my main concern because every generation needs its brightest and strongest in order to prosper.
Domesticus
Re: Socialism?
laissez-faire is completely unregulated capitalism. There should be some limits, but not enough to do to jobs what the unions have done to the production capacity of America.
Campidoctor
Re: Socialism?
I'm pretty sure corporate welfare has done plenty to increase the production capacity of America. Unions do get ahead of themselves and do ask for stupid things and are corrupt often but they are one of the few things that keep companies in check from exploiting the labor force. Hopefully some inbetween can be reached of current unions vs no organized labor but I'm unaware of it at the moment.
Domesticus
Re: Socialism?
That sounds nice. I will still relocate before living in a socialist society, no matter what the argument in favor of it is. I like capitalism and think it is the best route to success, not working and having your money doled out to other people.
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