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    I know most of what goes in here is religious in nature and so this won't apply to that, but it is a question of ethics. Read this news story and I'm sure discussion will come of its own accord.

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    LOS ANGELES (AP) — A federal judge on Thursday tentatively threw out the convictions of a Missouri mother for her role in a MySpace hoax directed at a 13-year-old neighbor girl who ended up committing suicide.


    U.S. District Judge George Wu said he was tentatively acquitting Lori Drew of misdemeanor counts of accessing computers without authorization and that the ruling will become final when he issues it in writing.


    Drew was convicted in November, but the judge said that if she is to be found guilty of illegally accessing computers, anyone who has ever violated the social networking site's terms of service would be guilty of a misdemeanor.


    Prosecutors had sought the maximum three-year prison sentence and a $300,000 fine, but it had been uncertain going into Thursday's hearing whether Drew would be sentenced.
    Wu had given a lengthy review to a defense request for dismissal, delaying Drew's sentencing from May to go over testimony from two prosecution witnesses.


    Much attention has been paid to Drew's case, primarily because it was the nation's first cyberbullying trial. The trial was held in Los Angeles because the servers of the social networking site are in the area.
    Prosecutors say Drew sought to humiliate Megan Meier by helping create a fictitious teen boy on the social networking site and sending flirtatious messages to the girl in his name. The fake boy then dumped Megan in a message saying the world would be better without her.


    She hanged herself a short time later in October 2006 in the St. Louis suburb of Dardenne Prairie, Mo.
    Drew was not directly charged with causing Megan's death. Instead, prosecutors indicted her under the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which in the past has been used in hacking and trademark theft cases.


    Drew's attorney, Dean Steward, maintained that charges should have never been brought against his client and prosecution's decision to seek a three-year prison sentence for misdemeanor convictions was "shocking."


    "The government's case is all about making Lori Drew a public symbol of cyberbullying," Steward said in a previous court filing. "The government has created a fiction that Lori Drew somehow caused (Megan's) death, and it wants a long prison sentence to make its fiction seem real."


    Wu acknowledged in May he was concerned that sending Drew to prison for violating a website's service terms might set a dangerous precedent. Wu at the time noted that millions of people either don't read service terms, as happened in Drew's case.


    During the trial, prosecutors argued that Drew violated MySpace service rules by setting up the phony profile for a boy named "Josh Evans" with the help of her then-13-year-old daughter Sarah and business assistant Ashley Grills. They posted a photo of a bare-chested boy with tousled brown hair.
    "Josh" then told Megan she was "sexi" and assured her, "i love you so much."


    Prosecutors believe Drew and her daughter, who was friends with Megan, created the profile to find out if Megan was spreading rumors about Sarah. Grills testified she received a message from Megan in mid-2006, calling Drew's daughter a lesbian.


    Grills, who testified under a promise of immunity, allegedly sent the final, insulting message to Megan before she killed herself. Prosecutors said Megan sent a response saying, "'You are the kind of boy a girl would kill herself over.'"


    Jurors decided Drew was not guilty of the more serious felonies of intentionally causing emotional harm while accessing computers without authorization. The jury could not reach a unanimous verdict on a felony conspiracy charge.


    Personally, I don't understand how this woman isn't in jail. Goading someone to the brink of suicide is just about as bad as hanging them yourself and the fact that she planned it out with her daughter and another adult shows a lot of malice... I just don't know what to do with our world.
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    The girl was goaded into suicide? So what? To each his own, SHE committed it, either she already wanted to, or she's too stupid to be worth anything, i.e. close to Darwin Awards stuff.

    Don't blame others for your own weakness.

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    What a particularly dumb girl, killing yourself over some break-up by some fake guy at the age of 13, she would have never survived high-school like that, and I suppose that could be meant literally, I guess that the people responsible did do some wrong, but that 13 year old must of had serious issues beforehand to do something like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khannis View Post
    The girl was goaded into suicide? So what? To each his own, SHE committed it, either she already wanted to, or she's too stupid to be worth anything, i.e. close to Darwin Awards stuff.

    Don't blame others for your own weakness.
    I agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khannis View Post
    The girl was goaded into suicide? So what? To each his own, SHE committed it, either she already wanted to, or she's too stupid to be worth anything, i.e. close to Darwin Awards stuff.

    Don't blame others for your own weakness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Suicide is self inflicted. no one tied the knot and pushed her from her perch. she made her choice and now her family has to live with it. Mrs. Drew is no more responsible than whoever manufactured whatever the girl hung herself with.

    you can intentionally push someone to commit suicid, the weak minded

    this does not force you to be total s, trying to put yourselves on top because you are "strong" and all

    how about a little helping hand

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    It's already been said but with that attitude she wasn't going to survive high school.

    Anyways the woman should be at least fined for harassment of the girl.

    how about helping her instead of trying to bring her down (or whoever has a "weak" mind)


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    and well, how about you turn off the computer instead of going all hurt over what people say on the internet...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    you can intentionally push someone to commit suicid, the weak minded
    The lady didn't push the girl to commit suicide, she dumped her from a 'relationship'
    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    this does not force you to be total s, trying to put yourselves on top because you are "strong" and all

    how about a little helping hand
    If putting myself on top by being strong makes my family's life better, I'm going to do it. Others can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps if they are so inclined.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    how about helping her instead of trying to bring her down (or whoever has a "weak" mind)
    Can't help her anymore. According to my religion, she is as low as she can go and has no more heating bill. As for others, if I don't know or care for you, why would I help you?
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    and well, how about you turn off the computer instead of going all hurt over what people say on the internet...
    I have no idea what you meant by this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    The lady didn't push the girl to commit suicide, she dumped her from a 'relationship'

    If putting myself on top by being strong makes my family's life better, I'm going to do it. Others can pull themselves up by their own bootstraps if they are so inclined.

    Can't help her anymore. According to my religion, she is as low as she can go and has no more heating bill. As for others, if I don't know or care for you, why would I help you?

    I have no idea what you meant by this.
    why faking a relation ship in the first place

    i didn't mean putting yourself on top as a mean of survival, but as a mean of dick waving

    you can stop people from killing themselves, those who you get to have contacts with

    and what i said is pretty damn easy to understand, instead of going all hurt because of what people say on the internet, just close the computer for a day or two

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    why faking a relation ship in the first place
    It isn't illegal. It wouldn't be the first either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    i didn't mean putting yourself on top as a mean of survival, but as a mean of dick waving
    I happen to like pissing contests. It relieves boredom.
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    you can stop people from killing themselves, those who you get to have contacts with
    No, if someone is bound and determined to die you can not stop them. All they have to do is bite their tongue hard enough and they bleed out or drown.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
    and what i said is pretty damn easy to understand, instead of going all hurt because of what people say on the internet, just close the computer for a day or two
    Again, what the does 'going all hurt' mean? Use standard English this time, please.

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    Poor girl, or maybe not. Maybe she was about to be victim to an even more horrendous crime, life ain't all good.

    On the other hand the agitators are clearly scum. But don't worry we're not all like that, in fact I'm confident people like us outnumber people like them by a large margin.

    But then again it's often relative, people usually just need to think they are in the correct situation for it and any behaviour becomes acceptable... so watch yourself

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    Bullying someone is never a good thing, even if they may or may not deserve, though i don't see why she may have...

    But people don;t commit suicide simply because of one thing or another, this may have been the last straw, but it is only one in a long list of pre-exsisting issues, both mental, and Verbal obviously...

    I wanna lie, lie to myself, myself and someone else. Cause it’s the lying that hurts, and it’s the hurt that lets me know I’m alive.”

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    Suicide is self inflicted. no one tied the knot and pushed her from her perch. she made her choice and now her family has to live with it. Mrs. Drew is no more responsible than whoever manufactured whatever the girl hung herself with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khannis View Post
    The girl was goaded into suicide? So what? To each his own, SHE committed it, either she already wanted to, or she's too stupid to be worth anything, i.e. close to Darwin Awards stuff.

    Don't blame others for your own weakness.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Count(er) View Post
    What a particularly dumb girl, killing yourself over some break-up by some fake guy at the age of 13, she would have never survived high-school like that, and I suppose that could be meant literally, I guess that the people responsible did do some wrong, but that 13 year old must of had serious issues beforehand to do something like this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Suicide is self inflicted. no one tied the knot and pushed her from her perch. she made her choice and now her family has to live with it. Mrs. Drew is no more responsible than whoever manufactured whatever the girl hung herself with.

    question for all three.

    what if it was your daughter?

    13 (any age below 16 really) is a violatile age for women. it is confusing, conflicting. she wouldve had to have been severely depressed before hand and ive little doubt at all this is the case.
    the perpetrators took advantage of her depression, should not get off scot free, this was a human being who had the whole world ahead of it.
    key word
    had.

    in closing -
    would she still have commited suicide had the idiots not pushed her back against the wall and suggested the 'cowards way out', which she did take?
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    Well, it's not like I'm saying that those people were completely innocent, but you can hardly say it's entirely their fault, it's probably only a small part, but because they were the last ones to do something they're the only ones getting punished and it's likely a whole lot more than they should have considering how little they likely did, not that they shouldn't but be punished, but the girl had problems, and that's where the attention should be, not at the ones who caused the last problem.
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    It's already been said but with that attitude she wasn't going to survive high school.

    Anyways the woman should be at least fined for harassment of the girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khannis View Post
    The girl was goaded into suicide? So what? To each his own, SHE committed it, either she already wanted to, or she's too stupid to be worth anything, i.e. close to Darwin Awards stuff.

    Don't blame others for your own weakness.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Suicide is self inflicted. no one tied the knot and pushed her from her perch. she made her choice and now her family has to live with it. Mrs. Drew is no more responsible than whoever manufactured whatever the girl hung herself with.


    Ah, the armchair pseudopsychiatrists of the internetz have spoken.



    In my opinion, that was a provoked suicide, whether intentional or not. The fact that a mother was complicit in doing it is just atrocious. Disgusting. Absolutely.



    What I find more interesting is that I saw the thread about the marine throwing the puppy over the cliff, and that, aside from the posts about how old the story was, most of the posters considered he was an "arse" and should have been kicked out the military and punished.

    It reminds me of that scene in Apocalypse, Now!, where Chef lights up the boat full of Vietnamese when the mother lunges towards a box. Turns out, she was going for their puppy. Everyone always expresses such sympathy for the dog, but such apathy for the family. It's just asbsurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightyfenrir View Post
    Their original intention wasn't this girl's death it was, according to them (since it was three women/girls that did this) to "use Meier’s e-mails with "Josh" to get information about her and later humiliate her, in retribution for her allegedly spreading gossip about Drew's daughter."
    Allegedly? It's not even certain that Megan spread the rumor?

    Retribution is another key word, I don't see any element of eye-for-an-eye, I see a sadist. This is just a case of a cruel woman doing what comes natural to her.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    Suicide is self inflicted. no one tied the knot and pushed her from her perch. she made her choice and now her family has to live with it. Mrs. Drew is no more responsible than whoever manufactured whatever the girl hung herself with.
    That's very Christian of you.

    "Your honor, it was not my intention that the 13 year-old girl kill herself, only that the 13 year-old girl suffer a cruel humiliation and public rejection that leaves long-lasting emotional scars but certainly not suicide, what kind of person do you take me for?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    "Your honor, it was not my intention that the 13 year-old girl kill herself, only that the 13 year-old girl suffer a cruel humiliation and public rejection that leaves long-lasting emotional scars but certainly not suicide, what kind of person do you take me for?"
    You make it seem like the woman was the only factor in this whole thing. The girl had been depressed for years. This was just another straw on the pile. A sane mind would not have committed suicide over being dumped. Oh, by the way, lets call it like it is. The girl got dumped and hung herself. I think the lady who dumped her in a completely platonic relationship is in no way at fault. I expect it would have been the same whether it was a boy that dumped her or the woman impersonating a boy. The girl's logic was fatally flawed by her depression so she decided to end it all. I'll cry a river for her some day when I really care. Remember, one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic. And that is all this girl is to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skandranon Rakshae View Post
    I expect it would have been the same whether it was a boy that dumped her or the woman impersonating a boy. The girl's logic was fatally flawed by her depression so she decided to end it all. I'll cry a river for her some day when I really care. Remember, one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic. And that is all this girl is to me.
    All true, but it's still the fact that an adult, someone supposedly mature, was acting like a five year old in attempting to humiliate and degrade someone that was in middle school. When it's a parent doing this to their own child the kid gets taken away and the parent is in prison. So the message here seems to be, "as long as you do this to someone else's child and bully them over the internet, you haven't done a thing wrong." I don't see where that's okay.


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    The Internet - It's serious business.

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    yhea i once did that, to a girl in higschool, i pressured her until she agreed to go sailing in a 10 ft baue, but she almost drowned so i no longer try that





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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny_C_1 View Post
    The Internet - It's serious business.
    To idiots, it is.

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