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    Default Is every political ideology doomed...

    ...to Conservatism?
    Ideologies such as Liberalism, Socialism, Fascism, and even Anarchism, i believe, will al become Conservative at there own pace.
    Conservatism was first theorised by Thomas Hobbes in his book "The Leviathan" and created in response to the French Revolution by Edward Burke. It's basically the opposite to the Enlightenment, keep the order. "Conservatism is the politics of delay" as Burke put it, as it "hides our naked shiverring nature."

    My point is, i think even Anarchists, the gys who dont want a political state, once they got it would become highly conservative.
    so
    Is every ideology doomed for Conservatism?


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    Default Re: Is every political ideology doomed...

    Well talking European definition of conservatism of course not.

    No matter who takes over, the ones opposed will not be conservatives by default
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    Default Re: Is every political ideology doomed...

    Conservatism doesn't simply mean ''the ones in control''. It refers to alot of groups who want to keep a fairly liberal, moral society. You've also got New Conservatives that want reforms.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





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    Default Re: Is every political ideology doomed...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    Conservatism doesn't simply mean ''the ones in control''. It refers to alot of groups who want to keep a fairly liberal, moral society. You've also got New Conservatives that want reforms.
    No, not at all. It simply means you want to preserve things the way they are. If I lived in a Communist becoming Capitalist country, and I was in favour of it staying Communist, then I would be conservative.

    The word is now in general used in description of the economic right, but that isn't actualy what it means.

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    Default Re: Is every political ideology doomed...

    There will always be old traditional values and there will always be new more radical values as well.

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    Default Re: Is every political ideology doomed...

    Interesting that you've made this topic. The other week, I was theoreticizing that social liberalism, if widely accepted to become the norm, within a few generations, could become the new "conservatism," so to speak. Likewise, social conservatism would become a new "liberalism," due to the lack of traditional (in this case, the social liberal views would be "traditional) influence.


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