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Chapter X (Harsh times) & (Pope Gregory and Pope Rubertus are dead)

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Taking place from 1166 - 1176

Our pope is dead, gone died of old age, he was a true beacon of faith. Pope Gregory of the Papal States has past, now it will be harsh times for France. Our enemies lurk at us. Fredon: Cardinal Rubertus of Milan could become the new pope. Milan would be reconciled and our relations with the pope would suffer. King Louis : Then we must hope for the good, may god be with us.

étienne Tristram: I shall vote for our good friend the papal States. Cardinal Frederigius has my vote.

Pope Rubertus of Milan has become the new pope. This are bad times for France. England and France suffer, both have no good relation with the pope.

King Louis: I have had time to think and I want a young person, so it will be Yemon Degon. Who will become my new adviser.
Yemon Degon: Well thank you my king, adviser truiguin was a good inspiration to me. I will do my best do make sure we are secure and defeat our enemies and make new friends.

Captain Marcel was one a loyal captain of France,now he is a corrupt rebel that will be destroyed! Captain Vilain: Marcel will be executed and his men will also be executed. It will be a example for all those who ever think about treason!

Soldier: Captain Vilain we are losing, our men are losing moral fast and on of our units is rooting. Marcel is pushing us, he has more men!
Captain Vilain: Try to hold your position men, keep fighting we have to win this!

We are getting heavy resistance, it seems we are losing this battle. Soon our defense line will brake and our soldiers will root.
Captain Vilain: Keep killing them, I can't lose, it would be a shame. For France! "Moments later" Our captain is slain, run, we have lost!

Defeat, our army has been crushed by former captain Marcel, this is unacceptable. King Louis: This I can't understand, how can just a captain of a rebel army hold it's position and poisons our lands. Recruit soldiers in all castle and cities near the border with Spain and Portugal. We need our border secure.

Henry has to defend his position against a large enemy force of Milan. He feels not confident taken up the sword against an enemy much stronger then him, he is outnumbered and reinforcements seem miles away. But for his king he will fight and make a stand here and now. retread is no option!

Captain Jenévo: We can't win this, there force is way stronger then us. Henry: I know we won't win, all we can do is attack them with our infantry and cause many casualties for them. When Godfrey arrives he can deal with the Milan army.

soldier: There Italian spear militia are to strong, we can't hold them of any longer. Our men lose numbers very fast because genoese crossbow fire on them. We are surrounded by Milan forces. We are losing this, what do we do general Henry ? Henry: I need to save my own skin and some of my men still alive, retreat! It is better to retreat then all die for nothing, we will fight an other day and let them pay.

Henry: We lost, retreat back to Genoa! Let Godfrey take down this Milan army. If he can't defeat them, Genoa stands open without defense.
The Milan's have always the advantages to have Superior crossbow and spear men. Only a good amount of cavalry can stop them.

Godfrey stands ready to defeat the tread to the city Genoa. He has many cavalry units in his army to fast attack genoes crossbow units.

Captain Conduter: We have to make sure, there crossbow units can't fire many times upon us. Godfrey: I know, charge with all cavarly on there genoese crossbow! Crossbow fire on there Italian spear men! Infantry attack there spear men! Make sure they have no chance to attack our cavalry.

Godfrey: Good job men, we have killed there general and defeated most of there army. Run them down, take them prisoner.
Captain Conduter: General we have lost many good men, we will not be able to stand against an other attack of such large force. Godfrey: I see keep our army close to Genoa and await orders, we need reinforcements form the West.

Godfrey: Victory is ours! Dead to them, but we have lost good men, olmost 3/4 of the army of Henry is dead. Milan is a to dangerous enemy to have around. "Godfrey takes a quill to write a letter to his king Louis."

Dear king Louis, it has come to my attention that Milan poses a bigger thread then I toughed.
I there by request military assistants, Milan is weakened by us, they now only have 2 cites: Milan and Venice.
But still king they are strong, Henry your son has been beaten by them.
Henry retreaded just in time to save some men, but the rest have all died for nothing.
We are strong, but our borders are not secure, to the south Portugal is ready to strike swiftly and cause many problems if they would do that.
Up east our cities are not defended against the Holy Roman Empire. We are surrounded by enemies, I there by request that we use our power to destory Milan so we could focus on our other enemies.
I know I ask allot of you, France could get excommunicated for attacking Milan on their territory.

King regards of Godfrey.
One of your fighting generals in the field.

Captain Conduter: What do we do with the prisoners general ? Godfrey: Execute them all, leave no of them alive. And leave no trace, burn all the bodies. If you say so, general then it will be done.

King Louis we are again the strongest faction in the known world. King Louis: I see, that is good news indeed. But it's only because we recruit many men to fight against our enemies that are also large in numbers. Yemon Degon: King it would be wise to use all men available.
And guard our cities and castles with 3 or 2 units. King Louis: you think I didn't know that ? That is not really good advice. Yemon Degon: Sorry my king it won't happen again, I promise you. King Louis: I hope so, or I will replace you with someone who can do his job.
soldier: Our scouts report a small army of Milan ousite our region, but a easy target. Godfrey: Good, don't let it get away, march to that location. We are with far more men, they will be crushed by us.

soldier: The enemy is far away out of our range, they have 2 units of deadly genoese crossbow. Godfrey: Keep our infantry out of range, sent our crossbow men to fire on them. I will follow them with our cavalry and flank them. "Crossbow units fire on one unit of genoese crossbow." Captain Conduter: Spear men charge on them, cavalry follow me! "After moments of fighting the enemy was fast overrun."
They root, we have won!

Victory, this spot is ours, lets them crawl back to Milan. Those fools will all die.

Execute them. Please, I beck you we are just a small unit of soldiers. I have a son, no. captain: So ? "Captain Conduter takes a sword of a soldiers and stands up and goes to the prisoner that is causing much noise." He orders the guards to let him stand up with his handcuffs.
Captain Conduter takes a short blade, any last words scum ? prisoner: Burn in hell! Captian Conduter takes his short sword and cuts the throat of the prisoner open. Blood comes out and a big red spot comes around the corpse. Guards ? Yes, captain ? Finish them of.

Guillemot de Lyon has now taken command of the army that has to eliminate the rebel scum and their captain, Marcel.

Lyon: We have to brake their line, crossbow consentrate your fire on one unit. Armoured sergeants move on. The enemy is losing it's grasp, push them back force them to root.

Lyon: Run them down leave none alive, all prisoners will be exectuted.

We won, a good victory. The roads are free again, and the landscape is clean again.

Milan sents a assassin to assassinate general Godfrey. The assassin failes, good god. Those Milan's are really desperate.

The new pope of Milan, pope Rubertus has died. Good, now Milan has not anymore so much power.
Lets hope the new pople will be kind and have better relations with us.

étienne Tristram: I shall vote for my good friend, cardinal Froderigus of the Papel States. The papel States are our allies and our relation will be very improved.

Cardinal Simon has become the new pope. At the age of 51 he will be a exellent pope.

Defeat the enemy ships, attack!

Victory the enemey has been crushed and we have control now over that location. It seems Portugal has a castle, what are they planning ?
Yemon Degon: The lost their capital, the Moors have captured it. The look for new regions I think. King Louis: As long that they don't lool for new land in our territory.

The Holy Roman Empire attack us, just now! King Louis: I didn't expect this, we must reinforce our cities and castles with more men and fight back! They will pay, for attacking us, I will let them feel that. If they want a war the can get one.

Captain Gerbert tries to make a stand, but he gets overrun by German cavalry. His men root and he gets killed. Dijon is left without defense.
The Holy Roman Empire can strike us now a terrible blow if they want.

We lost, defeaded by them. We will strike back.

Louis has seen Portugal as a thread for a long time. He has taken action and gone to the region him self to secure it.

King Louis: They will be scattered, there missile cavalry will be hard to beat, but we will brake trew them in time. Attack them with all we have direct, use our spear men against their mercenary spear men.

King Louis: Good, I have killed their general and destroyed most of there army. Only one unit has left the army and is rooting, we have crushed them. There is no more danger, run them down and capture them.

Vicotory is ours, you have all done a good job! We will push farther in their land.

What will we do with the prioners sire ? The are ransom value 2923 florins. King Louis: Execute them, why would I ask for ransom ? Kill them all! And leave no trace where the got executed.

One of our merchants has beat an other merchant and is now trading slik to france with a value of 756 florins.

Portugal tries to hold us back, and sents an other army to defend the road that leads to their castle.
It is there prince Rodrigo.

King Louis: My personal bodyguard will flank them and all other soldiers attack them in the open field. March, all spear men attack one unit at a time, so we cause fear into our enemy.

King Louis: A stuipit move the enemy general made, attack his bodyguards in the back and kill him! If he is dead his army will root faster.

The unit that guards Louis runs down the last rooting unit that survived the kings revenge.

A clear victory the road is free, their capital has no army defeding it. Move on! I want that place.

soldiers: what to do with the prisoners my king ? Execute of course, why would I show pity when they try to invade France ? soldiers: Yes, sire you right. It will be a pleasure killing them.

"King, a letter as arrived form, the far east of middle Itlay." King Louis: Give it to me.

Dear king Louis, it has come to my attention that Milan poses a bigger thread then I toughed.
I there by request military assistants, Milan is weakened by us, they now only have 2 cites: Milan and Venice.
But still king they are strong, Henry your son has been beaten by them.
Henry retreaded just in time to save some men, but the rest have all died for nothing.
We are strong, but our borders are not secure, to the south Portugal is ready to strike swiftly and cause many problems if they would do that.
Up east our cities are not defended against the Holy Roman Empire. We are surrounded by enemies, I there by request that we use our power to destory Milan so we could focus on our other enemies.
I know I ask allot of you, France could get excommunicated for attacking Milan on their territory.

King regards of Godfrey.
One of your fighting generals in the field.

"Louis reads the letter and writes a letter back to Godfrey."

General Godfrey, I see you have problems with your war against Milan, you will get your reinforcements.
I am busy fighting of Portugal, and if Milan poses a thread as you say. Then do what you think is necessary to stop them.
I don't understand that Milan with just 2 cities can have such a big army at their disposal. But general if the pope sents to me a messenger to stop attacking Milan or france will be excommunicated. Then you will stop attacking them only if they come on our territory. I will order Bordeaux and Toulouse to recruit cavalry and spear men and crossbow units. The Holy Roman Empire is causing new problems to.
So it will not be so many reinforcements you get in your war. Try to assassinate their leader, you may do that of me. Let them pay, and keep Henry away from Trouble. father would not be happy if anything happens to Henry.

Regards your king, Louis.

Pamplona is now under siege, Spain is on a crusade to capture Antioch. France has joined the crusade to, the general that leads the crusade is Henry son of Philip and brother of Louis. King Louis: We have their capital under siege, but they will defend it until dead. I don't have enough men to make a stand, I can only wait for reinforcements to come.

Gelder de Menster: King I can now show you the report of caracters that have done things. King Louis: Show me, lets see if they did a good job.
2 diplomats of The Holy Roman Empire have been assassinated.
1 diplomat of Venice and 1 diplomat of Milan have been assassinated.
2 of our spies have been killed trying to spy into a city or spying to see a enemy caracter.
2 assassins have died, no relation has suffered form it.

That is it my king for now. King Louis: Recruit more agents, I find it disturbing that so many of our agents die, and to few of them die.
Also sent some assassins to help Godfrey in his war against Milan, he needs help. King Louis: I will do that my sire.

[Helm]

I don't where this 2% comes from, we technically use all of it.

[webMaster412160]

Not realy their are still part of our brain that we don't use, they have a other purpose.

[Helm]

Only 2% of it will be dedicated to concious thought they probably mean. If you were to remove a slice at the back you would find you would lose the sight in one eye, so it's being used for something.

[Poach]

Yes the concept of 98% of our brain being totally inactive is a common mistake. Helm is correct, I'm pretty sure it means 2% goes to the concious mind and the rest is devoted to running the body.

Humanity will certainly continue to evolve (and please don't turn this into an evolution debate, that's not my point) and become generally smarter. Cavemen, for example, were rather primitive and basic and we have over the years become progressively smarter. In another thousand years the average human will likely be more inherantly intelligent than today.

As for a soul, that really comes down to are you religious or not. I'm an atheist and thus state we don't have a soul, due to the concept being entirely unprovable by scientific observation or testing.

[H.r.E.]

Yes the concept of 98% of our brain being totally inactive is a common mistake. Helm is correct, I'm pretty sure it means 2% goes to the concious mind and the rest is devoted to running the body.

Humanity will certainly continue to evolve (and please don't turn this into an evolution debate, that's not my point) and become generally smarter. Cavemen, for example, were rather primitive and basic and we have over the years become progressively smarter. In another thousand years the average human will likely be more inherantly intelligent than today.

As for a soul, that really comes down to are you religious or not. I'm an atheist and thus state we don't have a soul, due to the concept being entirely unprovable by scientific observation or testing.

im not into religion myself and i believe in a soul just because the thought of only having thoughts (know what i mean ? ) trough electrics running trough youre brain - just seems so narrowminded to me you know

[Dead Sun]

Yes the concept of 98% of our brain being totally inactive is a common mistake. Helm is correct, I'm pretty sure it means 2% goes to the concious mind and the rest is devoted to running the body.

Humanity will certainly continue to evolve (and please don't turn this into an evolution debate, that's not my point) and become generally smarter. Cavemen, for example, were rather primitive and basic and we have over the years become progressively smarter. In another thousand years the average human will likely be more inherantly intelligent than today.

As for a soul, that really comes down to are you religious or not. I'm an atheist and thus state we don't have a soul, due to the concept being entirely unprovable by scientific observation or testing.

This probably sounds very quacky, and im definitely not saying your wrong, but perhaps if we were to access this "unconscious running the body" 98% and make it conscious, then we might be able to do things we might not be able to do if they were kept unconscious. e.g. If we knew how our mind worked, or even if other minds existed but we were specifically conscious of that mind, perhaps we could read it as consciously as i can read my own mind.

[mdk31]

I don't believe there's a soul. There's no evidence for their existence, for one, and all the functions that people in the past attributed to them (like thought and such) have been discovered to be functions of the body.

[Manco]

It's usually said that only about 10% of the brain is used, but that's at any given time (and probably a wrong number as well). Technically we use the entire brain.

As for are we more than flesh and bone? Hmm, I don't believe in a soul and we know that thoughts, consciousness and so on are a result of electrochemical processes in the brain. So purely biologic and materialistic, no.

But the mind is still an amazing thing, being physical doesn't change that in any way.

[Manco]

Doesn't work like that. To talk you use certain parts of the brain, others will be 'dormant'. When writing you'll use different parts, driving a car ven others, and so on for every activity.
You can't use the entire brain at once, since you can't do all that stuff at once.

[Chaigidel]

yeah the whole 2 percent thing is a myth absolute, your brain is always working, and doing all kinds of neato things--- the amount of information you process by moving seeing etc is incredible.

there is no scientific study which has EVER verified the concept that you dont use all of your brain, every single cell is doing a job.

[MaximiIian]

Huh. Another "Do we have a soul?" thread, eh?
Personally, I think all living things have a soul. But I don't think it manifests physically as anything different from natural functions of one's body.

[Veni]

Our brain have already evolved quite a bit the past million years. Natural Selection will probably make our brain even bigger for our future generations too.

[MaximiIian]

Our brain have already evolved quite a bit the past million years. Natural Selection will probably make our brain even bigger for our future generations too.

The thing of it is, we're not affected by our natural environment that much anymore. With the technology we have, we control our environmental setting, we build synthetic dwellings and micro-manage our surroundings; we alter our own fitness and our own immune systems.
We've pretty much taken the nature out of Natural Selection.

[Helm]

We have no real idea how the brain goes about generating a mind, there could be some kind of non-physical component to it for all we know, or not, there's no way of saying for sure either way.

[Tigrul]

1. I'm impressed by the large number of people who know not to believe in the "% of the brain used" myth. It goes to once again show that on the twcenter fora, one is able to find some of the best people of any fora.
2. I'm happy that the thread starter is now also, or about to be, in the club of people not believing in the silly myth of "% of the brain used".
3. So far as the soul goes... it depends on definitions. If you talk about the patterns which occur within our electro-chehimcal computer, then yes, we have a soul. If you're referring to something which survives our physical deaths, then there is no rational reason to believe in such a soul.

[finsternis]

Well things do seen to show that the universe is materialistic (meaning, that if there a soul, it dies with the brain. So the soul and the mind are the same thing).
If you were to say that the soul/mind can exist outside the body, then psychology would cease to be a science (since it would not be longer true that the brain patterns affect the mind).

But psychology has proven to be reliant. So we must assume that there is no soul.

[Watchman]

Until someone manages to grab a soul, paint it red and measure it - as it were - the question must alas remain wholly hypothetical.

[MaximiIian]

Until someone manages to grab a soul, paint it red and measure it - as it were - the question must alas remain wholly hypothetical.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss it or at least present our hypotheses.

[Sir Hawkwood]

The thought of just returning to earth as a dead husk and that being the be-all and end-all seems a little simplistic and narrow-minded!
Science is often used as a level against the human spirit, but using that same 'level' you can argue that something is never destroyed or stopped, it mearly changes form.
This is the case with money, energy and mortal man and woman.