Onager accuracy-Who likes it and who doesn't?

**Julianus Flavius** · July 01, 2009, 09:40 PM

Ok, I have noticed (In V2, and I assume in V3 Beta as well) that onagers are really accurate. I actually like that, because it makes sieges more fast-paced and provides further incentive for players to keep elite troops off the walls, in favour of expendable archers and slingers, etc.
However, I am ready to be convinced that their accuracy should be reduced. So, who is for high accuracy and who isn't?

**PSEUDO ROMANUS** · July 01, 2009, 09:45 PM

I like their accuracy because of the same reasons you do.

**Julianus Flavius** · July 01, 2009, 09:47 PM

Yay someone agrees with me!!! It very rarely happens, so this is cause for celebration!

**PSEUDO ROMANUS** · July 01, 2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Julianus Flavius

Yay someone agrees with me!!! It very rarely happens, so this is cause for celebration!

**Gen.jamesWolfe** · July 02, 2009, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Julianus Flavius

Yay someone agrees with me!!! It very rarely happens, so this is cause for celebration!

I also agree, so throw another one

my only issue is the damage it causes to troops-I fin it excessive in relation to the size of the projectile. but that is only an opinion.

**Julianus Flavius** · July 02, 2009, 12:23 AM

That is a valid point, it's like the rocks have shells or bombs or something in them! Flaming Projectiles + Legio anything = DEATH in copious amounts

**Valentinian Victor** · July 02, 2009, 06:59 AM

Roman siege engines, apart from bolt shooters, appear to have been deployed much closer to the defences they were assaulting then most people had initially thought. Experiments have shown that for the projectiles to have maximum effectiveness they needed to hit a cities defensive walls at an angle as close to 90 degrees as possible. This would make the impact much stronger and lessen the effect of glancing blows if the angle was deeper or shallower.

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · July 09, 2009, 09:01 AM

I like it; on the rare occasions I find myself using onagers, I don't feel that they should be missing. Since they're basically the only true counter to the shining warriors of Persia, their effectiveness should remain unchanged.

**Valentinian Victor** · July 09, 2009, 09:27 AM

Both the Roman’s and Sasanids placed artillery such as ‘Scorpions’ and ‘Wild Asses’ on city and town defence to act as counter-battery fire, as well as the normal anti-personnel role. Ammianus claimed that just the sound of them firing ‘instilled terror into the hearts of men’, and at one siege they did not even have to load them with bolts, just cranked them up and fired them unloaded, it had the same effect as if they had been loaded and fired, men ran for cover!

**Antiochos VII Sidetes** · July 09, 2009, 10:59 AM

Haha, that's interesting! Of course, I can easily see why they'd be so damned scary.

**Julianus Flavius** · July 09, 2009, 09:39 PM

I am reminded of the siege of Minas Tirith in LoTR, and... yeah, scary stuff for your average soldier.

**PSEUDO ROMANUS** · July 09, 2009, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Julianus Flavius

I am reminded of the siege of Minas Tirith in LoTR, and... yeah, scary stuff for your average soldier.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a Late-Roman-period movie as big as those of LoTR?

**Gen.jamesWolfe** · July 10, 2009, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by PSEUDO ROMANUS

Wouldn't it be great if we had a Late-Roman-period movie as big as those of LoTR?

well, we can make it ourselves: som fraps, good cinematography, and some clever thinking, and maybe we can do it.

say, anyone wanna help me recreate yarmouk?

**Valentinian Victor** · July 10, 2009, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by Gen.jamesWolfe

well, we can make it ourselves: som fraps, good cinematography, and some clever thinking, and maybe we can do it.

say, anyone wanna help me recreate yarmouk?

A much better recreation would be the seige of Amida. There you had the Romans besieged by the Sasanid army that included Sharpur II. Two legiones attempted a night attack on the Sasanids with the intent of killing or capturing Sharpur, but were forced back into the city with the loss of 400 men.

**PSEUDO ROMANUS** · July 10, 2009, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Gen.jamesWolfe

well, we can make it ourselves: som fraps, good cinematography, and some clever thinking, and maybe we can do it.

say, anyone wanna help me recreate yarmouk?

What are we talking about here? You mean an online battle or something like making a movie?

**SeniorBatavianHorse** · July 10, 2009, 04:54 AM

You are all forgetting 'The Last Legion' and 'King Arthur' - oh, wait, I remember why now . . .

Yarmouk? Sounds good! (Must remember to use the cavalry properly.)

**Gen.jamesWolfe** · July 10, 2009, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by SeniorBatavianHorse

You are all forgetting 'The Last Legion' and 'King Arthur' - oh, wait, I remember why now . . .

Yarmouk? Sounds good! (Must remember to use the cavalry properly.)

well, If you are arab, you should use them like the genius Khalid was. if you were roman, than you don't really use it much, so unknown reasons