Nobody does anything!

[YassirX]

We are in the 21th Century,
everyone should be able to live equal because right now we got the technique and the knowledge to gurantee everyone a worth living life. The problem is nobody doesn't really do anything to change the current political way.

The following video displays what is happening in Iran right now, its not a fake.
This Women is one of many Human who are dieing every day because they march against the Iran Goverement.

- Video -

Is this the way it goes today? In Europe people play Soccer and Computer or whatever and live in paradise cause the got everything and even to much... at the same time people living in africa or asia go to sleep and hope they will survive the next day...
The problem is nobody can do anything cause a single man cant change the system, and there are not enough people protesting against it to actually inflict anything.

What do you think about the current world situation? How could it be changed?

[Deep_Red]

That´s a big question you have there, Yassir.
As far as I´m concerned, the world situation is what it always was:
The rich live happily altogether and the poor die miserably.
It´s the rich man´s war but the poor man´s fight. Concerning the "change" you mentioned:
Re-distribute the wealth in means of production, abolish all nations, disarm all military.
That´s what I wish to see.

But still: What excactly is the big deal about Iran? Such things happen all the time.

[roy34543]

Iran isnt half as popular an issue as dozens of other countries.
Israel probably tops the list.
Somalia.
Zimbabwe.
Kosovo (If you dont think its a country, the issue is that uncertainty)
Saudi Ararbia
Lebanon(Maybe?)

[Tiberios]

We can't really do anything. If the West tries to intervene the regime will just use it as propaganda. The only solution is for the Iranian people to revolt.

[Ardruire Iacób]

What exactly do you want us to do - declare war? That would work, yeah... [/sarcasm]

[YassirX]

But still: What excactly is the big deal about Iran? Such things happen all the time.

Of course there a lots of other countries having political issues and people dieing everday. The video I posted is from a protestation in Iran, the Woman has been shooten by an Security Officer. Sometimes thing need to be shown to led people understand.

What exactly do you want us to do - declare war? That would work, yeah... [/sarcasm]

maybe

[Ardruire Iacób]

maybe

Of course it woudn't, you can't forcefully change a government by declaring war on it and have the people thank you. Iran is a lot of things, but Nazi Germany it isn't. Mousavi isn't even pro-West, he'd hardly ask for the West's help in this domestic matter.

[Watchman]

The only "Western" power with the necessary "force projection" capability is the US, and they're already rather preoccupied in Afghanistan and Iraq. Plus Iran AFAIK actually has a decent enough military and advantageous enough geography that the prospect isn't really inviting.

Of European states, only two (the UK and France) really have bothered to sustain any kind of overseas force projection capability (the rest focused on gearing up to try to contain the long expected and never realised Soviet onslaught long enough for the US to vector in enough reinforcements to turn the tide, and have had little reason to develop true expeditionary ability since 1990). Neither is going to lift a military finger over the issue; partly because they flat out don't have enough military muscle, partly because Iraq should have taught even the dim-witted what kind of mess even a succesful invasion creates if you do it half-assed and without good follow-up planning - I daresay the Brits have had their fill of military adventurism for a while, and as for the French, cynical pragmatism has been the rather succesful cornerstone of their foreign policy for decades now.

In other words, no, nobody's going to start shooting over the usual run of human-rights violations in yet another developing-world police state. In this case fairly strong one to boot. Though no doubt many a conclusion is drawn concerning the glaringly obvious legitimacy deficit of the current regime, and filed away for future reference.

[Player989random]

We realized that the Middle East no longer gets us anywhere. Democracy doesn't work there, and God knows what will happen when the oil dries up.

[Alkarin]

We realized that the Middle East no longer gets us anywhere. Democracy doesn't work there, and God knows what will happen when the oil dries up.

why cant democracy work there? is that not what the people are revolting for?

[Player989random]

why cant democracy work there? is that not what the people are revolting for?

Every time the West puts in a leader, the people or the "terrorist" groups overthrow them and go back into a civil war.

2nd, the people don't want a democracy, the just want to replace an old puppet with a new one. If they wanted a real Democracy, they would get rid of the Theocracy in Iran.

[Deep_Red]

Every time the West puts in a leader, the people or the "terrorist" groups overthrow them and go back into a civil war.

Which is quite understandable for the kind of leader the "West" puts in...

2nd, the people don't want a democracy, the just want to replace an old puppet with a new one. If they wanted a real Democracy, they would get rid of the Theocracy in Iran.

For what? Another westerly backed monarchy? Or an republic like the one the "West" shot into pieces with "Operation Ajax"?

[Tiberios]

Which is quite understandable for the kind of leader the "West" puts in...

On that you can't really blame them..

For what? Another westerly backed monarchy? Or an republic like the one the "West" shot into pieces with "Operation Ajax"?

Well, I'm quite sure Mr Khomeini would have taken power regardless, still it helped a lot..

[Player989random]

Which is quite understandable for the kind of leader the "West" puts in...

My point there was that they go back into a civil war. That part of the world seems to fail without a monarchy.

For what? Another westerly backed monarchy? Or an republic like the one the "West" shot into pieces with "Operation Ajax"?

Well, the person said that they (People in Iran) were revolting for a Democracy, and the joke of one they there in Iran. The President is a puppet of the clergy with no real power. No I think that they should just support the Taliban and have the West and other nations get out.

The West should simply leave and watch the Middle-East turn into a hellhole as bad as Somalia.

[Deep_Red]

Would you seriously have done so?
I, for my part, think Khomeini opposed the Shah once he realized he governed in the name of the US.
This is the right action for my understanding.

[Watchman]

The Shah also managed to make himself hugely unpopular among his subjects, far as I know. Which is unlikely to have improved the legitimacy of his rulership as perceived by for example clerics like Khomeini.

[Tiberios]

Would you seriously have done so?
I, for my part, think Khomeini opposed the Shah once he realized he governed in the name of the US.
This is the right action for my understanding.

Personally I would rather live under the Shah than Khomeini, especially considering I am a Christian..

[Deep_Red]

Personally I would rather live under the Shah than Khomeini, especially considering I am a Christian..

That logic somehow reminds me of the "I´m aryan I´d have survived"-thingy I´m often confronted with in my area...

[Tiberios]

That logic somehow reminds me of the "I´m aryan I´d have survived"-thingy I´m often confronted with in my area...

In what way? I would be stupid to support the regime that might one throw me in prison or worse for my religious beliefs

[Deep_Red]

In what way? I would be stupid to support the regime that might one throw me in prison or worse for my religious beliefs

But it is as stupid to support a regime that´s even worse just because of possible personal advantage.